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Post by chris on Jan 25, 2024 19:55:43 GMT
Little known fact? Four of the last 10 players to make their test debut for England were Lancashire players at the time of their debut. Little known because it's not true. 4 of the last 16 maybe .... Apologies, who have I missed out?
703 Mahmood 2022
704 Potts 2022
705 Parkinson 2022
706 J Overton 2022
707 Brook 2022
708 Jacks 2022
709 Livingstone 2022
710 Ahmed 2022
711 Tongue 2023
712 Hartley 2024
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Post by Butter_Fingers on Jan 26, 2024 1:56:55 GMT
Little known because it's not true. 4 of the last 16 maybe .... Apologies, who have I missed out?
703 Mahmood 2022
704 Potts 2022
705 Parkinson 2022
706 J Overton 2022
707 Brook 2022
708 Jacks 2022
709 Livingstone 2022
710 Ahmed 2022
711 Tongue 2023
712 Hartley 2024
Already apologised, and you having their International number(and in sequence) confirms you were right. |
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Post by Butter_Fingers on Jan 26, 2024 5:01:45 GMT
Shubman Gill becomes Hartley's first Test match wicket, then he's taken off! But well done to Stokes and the Management.
Current figures: 15-0-80-1, just needs a maiden now.
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2024 6:48:39 GMT
First maiden of the day has just been bowled by anyone meanwhile Aussies 26-4
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Post by chris on Jan 26, 2024 9:28:54 GMT
Apologies, who have I missed out?
703 Mahmood 2022
704 Potts 2022
705 Parkinson 2022
706 J Overton 2022
707 Brook 2022
708 Jacks 2022
709 Livingstone 2022
710 Ahmed 2022
711 Tongue 2023
712 Hartley 2024
Already apologised, and you having their International number(and in sequence) confirms you were right. In the same period Wood, Salt and Gleeson have made their ODI or IT20 debuts for England. That would suggest the club should have been successful over the last two years, or maybe England's selections might have something to do with it.
Looking at this cricket.lancashirecricket.co.uk/teams/men-s-first-xi/ I see Salt is now shown in red not whites just like Buttler, Livingstone and Croft. Clearly Lyon and Bruce have never worn Lancashire kit yet but still no Stanley. Could Salt be white-ball only from 2024? |
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2024 12:06:15 GMT
Leach has a slight injury near t surprising as he’s not played for months
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2024 17:33:27 GMT
First Test, Hyderabad (day two of five):
England 246: Stokes 70; Ashwin 3-68, Jadeja 3-88
India 421-7: Rahul 86, Jadeja 81*; Root 2-77, Hartley 2-131
India lead by 175 runs
Scorecard
England already face a huge task to get back into the first Test after India built a commanding lead on day two in Hyderabad.
The home side moved to 421-7, 175 ahead of England's 246 all out on a pitch destined only to get harder for batting.
KL Rahul, dropped on nought in the first over of the day by Ben Foakes, made 86, while Ravindra Jadeja twice overturned being given out to move to an unbeaten 81.
England's spinners were improved from the assault they endured on the first evening, but still struggled to combine potency with accuracy. Joe Root's off-breaks were England's most dangerous weapon.
Root and debutant Tom Hartley each took two wickets, though England were largely relying on Indian indiscretions for their successes.
More worryingly, senior spinner Jack Leach, playing his first cricket since June because of a back injury, bowled only 16 overs in the day because of a knee problem.
'Nobody said it would be easy. Nobody said it would be this hard'
TMS podcast: India in control as England look for answers
Size of England's task confirmed
Mark Wood reacts after delivery to Ravindra Jadeja
Mark Wood has bowled 13 wicketless overs for 43 runs
England would have been under no illusions as to the magnitude on their task on this tour. Captain Ben Stokes called India a "beast" in this country, where they have not lost a Test series since 2012.
England competed well for the majority of day one and might have felt aggrieved that India had managed to move to 119-1, 127 behind.
The tourists enjoyed the better start to day two - Root removed Yashasvi Jaiswal for 80 in the first over and Hartley got Shubman Gill for his first Test wicket. From there on, though, India took control in front of 28,000 spectators as the country celebrated Republic Day.
How different might the day have been had Rahul been held by Foakes? The Surrey keeper, one of the best glovemen in the world, was picked to hold just this type of chance.
Still, there is no escaping the reality that England's spinners lack the control, experience and skill of the Indians. There is no shame in that, but if the five-Test series is played out on pitches similar to this one, England will have to hold every half-chance in the field and their batters will have to score mountains of runs.
That work with the bat should begin on Saturday, with the first aim being simply to ensure India have to bat again. India have never lost a home Test when taking a first-innings lead of 100 or more.
Inexperienced England exposed
Even on this pitch, England's selection seemed a gamble. Hartley is on debut, Rehan Ahmed a 19-year-old in his second Test and Leach is struggling. When James Anderson appeared as a sub fielder, one wondered of the control England's all-time leading wicket-taker might have offered.
England did not manage a maiden in the morning session but Root, who did not bowl on Thursday, made things happen and Hartley, after conceding 63 in nine overs the previous evening, was rewarded for a better length by Gill's hack to mid-wicket.
However, a full toss or long-hop was never far away and Stokes, as is his style, rarely had more than two fielders back. As Ahmed put together a spell either side of lunch, he bowled England's first maidens and had Shreyas Iyer caught in the deep in the leg side for 35. However, Rahul then carted two sixes as the final three in Ahmed's 10-over stint leaked 25 runs.
With Leach's longest spell coming in at four overs, Stokes had few options. Mark Wood bowled 11 in the day, his pace negated by the pitch, and it was telling that Root bowled more than anyone else, including taking the second new ball in a spell of 16 overs unchanged.
There were times when England felt aggrieved by umpiring decisions after burning all three of their reviews on day one, though neither of an lbw shout against Rahul nor a bat-pad catch off Jadeja would have been given out on referral.
At one stage, Root switched the bails in an attempt to change England's luck. It worked, Root himself got one to keep low to have the sweeping KS Bharat lbw and Ravichandran Ashwin was run out in a mix-up with Jadeja but, by then, India were well ahead.
No Kohli, no problem
Ravindra Jadeja celebrates fifty
Jadeja averages 58.06 in home Tests since the start of 2018
Without Virat Kohli, out of the first two Tests for personal reasons, India are missing their talisman and biggest star. In his absence, Rahul - batting in Kohli's spot at number four - and Jadeja, perhaps the next most beloved member of the team, stepped up.
Rahul could have gone second ball. Root found extra bounce and took the edge, only for a catchable chance to deflect off Foakes' thumb. The umpire gave byes and England had no reviews, but a strong appeal may have forced umpire Chris Gaffaney to rethink.
Reprieved, Rahul needed some fortune to deal with Wood's bouncers, drove Hartley down the ground and clobbered Ahmed. He was set for a hundred only to hole out like so many of his team-mates, dragging a woefully short Hartley delivery straight to Ahmed at deep mid-wicket.
Rahul had added 65 with Jadeja, who then shared 68 with wicketkeeper Bharat. The left-hander successfully reviewed on 17 when given out to a bat-pad catch off Leach, then again on 49 when Root thought he had an lbw.
Playing beautifully straight, including a six apiece lofted down the ground off Leach and Hartley, Jadeja celebrated his half-century with his trademark swordsman's swish of the bat, bringing the loudest cheer of the day.
Even after Bharat and Ashwin fell in the space of two overs, there was still time for Jadeja to add a painstaking 63 with Axar Patel, further sucking the life from the weary tourists.
Left-hander Axar smashed the final three balls for boundaries - two fours and a six off Hartley - to end on 35 not off and walk off alongside Jadeja with his side in complete control.
'It is going to take a humongous effort from England' - reaction
India batter KL Rahul on TNT Sports: "All of us have grown up on wickets like this. There is a bit of turn but the pace is a bit slow and it got slower and slower, which was a challenge.
"We didn't have any targets in mind, we just wanted to put as many runs on the board as possible."
Former England fast bowler Steven Finn: "It was clearly India's day again. They went up and down the gears nicely throughout the day.
"They end the day with a huge lead in the context of this game and they have set themselves up beautifully to ram that home tomorrow.
"India are in the box seat and it is going to take a humongous effort from England to drag themselves back into it."
England bowling coach Jeetan Patel on TNT Sports: "A tough day for us but the guys put in a fantastic effort.
"It would have been nice if a few opportunities went our way but India batted really well, they put on some great partnerships. But we are really proud at the way we kept coming ball after ball and creating opportunities."
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Post by man in the stand on Jan 26, 2024 18:23:55 GMT
TV shots of the crowd tell it all - Indians faces happy as larks - English faces grim. Joe Root is now our main bowler with Leach inujured. Jimmy A spotted in the nets bowling left arm spin so perhaps he'll play in the next test...
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Post by chris on Jan 26, 2024 22:33:39 GMT
From the BBC website:
In the past 25 years, the Red Rose have provided five front-line spinners chosen to play Test cricket for England, more than any other county. All of the previous four had a miserable experience.
Chris Schofield was one of the first England players to be given a central contract, but bowled only 18 overs in two Tests. The destruction of Simon Kerrigan in his only Test in 2013 has gone down in Ashes folklore, Matt Parkinson was summoned as a concussion substitute in 2022 and never seen again, while Liam Livingstone got injured before he could bowl a ball. Between them, they have five caps.
Remarkably, the pair of wickets Hartley took on the second day are more than his fellow Lancastrians put together. Before the curse, the last Lancashire spinner to take a Test wicket for England was part-time leg-spinner Michael Atherton. Perhaps that is how it began. At least Hartley is still in with a chance of breaking it.
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2024 8:29:18 GMT
Apologies bit late with this, Millwall away took rather a large chunk of the day, ESPN view
England 246 and 316 for 6 (Pope 148*, Bumrah 2-29, Ashwin 2-93) lead India 436 (Jadeja 87, Rahul 86, Jaiswal 80, Root 4-79, Rehan 2-105, Hartley 2-131) by 126 runs
When the day began, we wondered if there would be a day four in the Hyderabad Test. Then Bazball arrived.
After England lost four of their first five wickets in the first innings to defensive shots, you could almost imagine their coach, after whom Bazball is named, telling them it is more acceptable to get out reverse-sweeping than defending. That commitment to the sweep of various varieties brought India face to face with Bazball properly for the first time. England claimed the honours on the third day in Hyderabad, converting a first-innings deficit of 190 into a lead of 126 with four wickets in hand.
Ollie Pope's unbeaten 148 was the biggest turnaround from the first innings during which he meekly followed the turn with his hands and edged to slip. In the second innings, he swept and reverse-swept with aplomb to mess around with the spinners' lines and lengths and capitalise on the enterprising start provided by Zak Crawley and Ben Duckett. He was rewarded with a first century in India, the highest second-innings score by a visiting batter in India since Alastair Cook's 175 in Ahmedabad 12 years ago.
All told, England scored 79 runs with variants of the sweep without losing a wicket to it. Pope alone scored 41 of those runs, pulling the shot off almost every time a spinner troubled him. Consequently England became the first team since Nagpur 2012-13 to score 300 against India in a second innings in India.
India will be thankful you can't reverse-sweep Jasprit Bumrah. For it could have been worse for the hosts without a rousing spell of reverse-swing bowling just after lunch during which he got rid of Duckett and Joe Root. The pitch offered only slow turn, and England kept nailing high-risk options, but the spinners will still be disappointed that Bumrah was the pick of the bowlers on a day-three surface with figures of 12-3-29-2. R Ashwin went at 4.42 an over for his two wickets, and Axar Patel and Ravindra Jadeja at 4.60 and 3.88 for one each.
Jasprit Bumrah sent back Ben Duckett and Joe Root during a fiery spell of reverse-swing
Jasprit Bumrah sent back Ben Duckett and Joe Root during a fiery spell of reverse-swing•BCCI
For all the talk of Bazball and the excellent start England managed against pace in the first innings, what had stood out was their top three falling to traditional dismissals. All three were caught playing defensively in front of their body, which leaves you at the mercy of the turn, whose degree you cannot predict with any certainty.
Having taken the last three Indian wickets for 15 - led again by Joe Root the offspinner - England played what they practised. Not immediately, though. In his first two overs with the new ball, Ashwin could have had both Duckett and Crawley, but the inside edges fell either side of short leg. That was enough to shake them up. No more, they said.
Crawley began with the reverse-sweep against Ashwin before taking Axar downtown. All the sweeping played on Ashwin's lengths. In order to stay one step ahead, he overpitched far more than usual, and it was only when he went back to a proper length that he drew a forward defensive from Crawley. The ball didn't turn, and the edge went to slip. By then, though, England had put 45 on the board.
Duckett and Pope kept sweeping and reversing India to distraction. That a lot of practice has gone into the sweeps was plain to see. Like Ben Stokes in the first innings, they kept almost switching their stance without changing their grip, which allowed them to play the reverse-sweep powerfully and in front of square.
Post-lunch Bumrah began reversing the ball, but was let done by a non-review of a close lbw shout against Duckett. He bowled him top of off after highly skilful bowling across two overs, but England had hit four boundaries in that time. Still, when Bumrah trapped Root in front, India had 73 runs in the bag.
Jonny Bairstow was bowled shouldering arms to Ravindra Jadeja
Jonny Bairstow was bowled shouldering arms to Ravindra Jadeja•BCCI
Jonny Bairstow proceeded to thwart Bumrah by staying leg-side of the ball to avoid lbw, reacting late if he bowled the outswinger, and picking the slower ones. When it began to look threatening for India, the natural variation from the pitch came to their aid. Jadeja turned one past his outside edge, and the next ball, nearly identical, went straight on to dislodge the off bail as Bairstow left it alone.
Then followed about the only period when England allowed the spinners to work on a dismissal. Ashwin craftily pushed Stokes back and dragged him out with his changes of length until he had him playing back to a full ball, which turned past the bat to bowl him. With 27 runs still in the bag, India would have smelled the win here, especially as Pope and Ben Foakes were forced to play defensively.
There came a period of 70 balls without a boundary for England as Foakes played more traditionally, and Pope was kept quiet. After tea, though, the floodgates opened again as India began the session, unimpressively so, with Jadeja and Axar. Not for the first time in his short tenure as captain, Rohit Sharma has begun a session with the bowlers who had till then looked the least likely to take a wicket.
In the final session, Pope was even more emphatic with his reverse-sweeping, on one occasion even reverse-Dilscooping Jadeja over the keeper's head. In between he gave the charge once in a while but the backbone of his innings was the sweeping and the reverse-sweeping. By them time he made a mistake with the reverse, he had already scored 110, and even then he was dropped by Axar at backward point.
Axar came back to take Foakes' wicket with one that stayed low, but that was the extent of inroads India would make. At stumps on day three, the new ball was three overs away, which would give India hope. There is every chance that on a pitch with slow turn, and given their spin attack, England might not stretch their lead far enough for this Test but this turnaround could still have implications for the series.
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2024 9:52:23 GMT
119-7 holy moly
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Post by MickeyG on Jan 28, 2024 13:41:24 GMT
Holy smokes what a win. Fair play to Tom Hartley too.
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Post by man in the stand on Jan 28, 2024 13:50:25 GMT
There can't be many test bowlers whose figures differ so much between innings...
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Post by hariseldon on Jan 28, 2024 16:45:28 GMT
There were two great test results this morning.
West Indies beat Australia by 8 runs.
Shamar Joseph looks good as he has taken 13 wickets in the series.
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Post by lancsdes on Jan 28, 2024 17:24:10 GMT
There can't be many test bowlers whose figures differ so much between innings...” Does make you wonder if Simon Kerrigan could have been different backed by a decent captain and culture though I think he was a bit more fragile than TH . |
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