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Gidney has floated the idea of playing 2/3 championship games during the 100 played with Under 23 players

[redandrosy]

I always feel with Gidney he sees his current job as a stepping stone to a really big job in sport. Making sure profitability and other metrics demonstrate he would be a leading candidate is his prime concern and he isn't bothered how many cricket fans he alienates achieving these aims and what he leaves behind.

Pre covid the club was as financially strong as its ever been and this has helped bring in some quality new players some fine overseas players and retained most of the ones we have. Davies being the exception. They have overhauled the net area and improved facilities for the team so it clearly is important to get that side of things right to underpin the cricket team.

However suggestions like downgrading the loss making championship to partly and under 23 competition while the hula hoop Cup goes on shows the cricket means nothing to him and everything has to be viewed in terms of its contribution to the bottom line.

The integrity of the championship would be lost if two rounds were played with under 23 players not required by the hundred. That would then be the beginning of the end for red ball cricket.

I see both cricket in general and our own club the most divided its ever been and feel its tearing itself apart. We wouldn't probably be focusing on this if there was some actual county cricket in the second half of August!

[lancsdes]

Great comment randr. Most of these modern day cricket managers wouldn’t know the true meaning of the word integrity.

[man in the stand]

Aug 18, 2021 22:09:50 GMT lancsdes said:

Great comment randr. Most of these modern day cricket managers wouldn’t know the true meaning of the word integrity.Bit harsh that.....whatever he is doing, right or wrong, is being done under direction from the board.. I doubt whether the under 23's idea would be adopted but players as Alistair Cook was advocating a reduction in CC games..  Nothing something I would advocate.

[werneth]

I don't personally see anything sinister in Gidney's suggestion. I think he is simply thinking of it as an extension of what has happened this season.

But there is one enormous flaw – what happens to the players who are OVER 23? They might as well take their families off to Barbados for the whole of August. I can't believe that clubs, players or the public want to see excellent fringe Test players kicking their heels for a month (look at this week's situation where Sibley and Crawley are dropped from the England squad to regain their form except that there is no first-class cricket to allow them to do it).

Think again, Mr G.

[Admin]

There's also one other thing if Gidders has mentioned it you can bet your bottom dollar that it will have been discussed

[richard]

Aug 19, 2021 12:27:13 GMT Admin said:

There's also one other thing if Gidders has mentioned it you can bet your bottom dollar that it will have been discussed

I thought I remembered this possibility being mentioned some time ago when there were complaints to it being played during the one day cup thereby reducing England’s chances of retaining the World Cup.

Is the thing still going on? At the beginning a couple of people mentioned to me that they had seen some but haven’t mentioned it again. I am wondering whether they have lost interest already or whether they decided it was best (safest) not to discuss with me.

Anyway I am pleased to say that just before the last couple of Cup Games I was looking at the England team and wondering why Parkinson, Livingstone etc hadn’t been returned to Lancs. It hit me after a second or two but clearly I am being somewhat successful in blanking it out.

[lancsdes]

Comments above about Gidney are probably right in that the ECB have been destroying the integrity of the game for years. Yes, I know the county championship always suffered from the fact that Test players were lost to the counties. However, I think a new level was reached when players not picked for Test cricket could drop back into county games halfway through. That emphasised the fact that the county game is just a convenience to the ECB.

Delighted that I believe Glamorgan have won today. I usually support Durham in most things but I gather they parachuted a couple of pub cricketers back in who had contributed nothing to getting the team to the final. I’m sick of players who play under flags of convenience all the time, Buttler being the prime example.

[Admin]

Glamorgan had players back as well from the pub competition but didn't use them, nice to see them win something for a change

[Phil]

Aug 18, 2021 19:54:59 GMT Admin said:

Gidney has floated the idea of playing 2/3 championship games during the 100 played with Under 23 players

Hell fire, goodbye Daniel!

[richard]

Aug 20, 2021 15:50:58 GMT Phil said:

Aug 18, 2021 19:54:59 GMT Admin said:

Gidney has floated the idea of playing 2/3 championship games during the 100 played with Under 23 players

Hell fire, goodbye Daniel!

As I said earlier I don’t think this was his idea originally. Or even if it was it was an earlier idea. I am sure that someone much closer to the England setup has suggested it, or maybe just supported it.

[richard]

Aug 19, 2021 23:23:06 GMT lancsdes said:

Yes, I know the county championship always suffered from the fact that Test players were lost to the counties. However, I think a new level was reached when players not picked for Test cricket could drop back into county games halfway through.

Yes. You are right of course, but until not that long ago, only the eleven playing would be unavailable for their counties. Even the one left out of the twelve would return to his county for the game beginning on a Saturday and replaced either by someone who’s county wasn’t playing, or a junior player who wouldn’t have been in the team, from the county who was hosting the test.

Then England started keeping the 12th, 13th whatever man but at least they didn’t interfere with teams part way through. So we are now at a third level. Yet more and more abuse of the system.

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www.thecricketer.com/Topics/opinion/time_red_ball_fightback_england_cricket_county_the_hundred_ashes.html

[chris]

Aug 20, 2021 19:24:34 GMT Admin said:

www.thecricketer.com/Topics/opinion/time_red_ball_fightback_england_cricket_county_the_hundred_ashes.html

I see the 2022 season being similar to where we are. But 2023 (with the Ashes) has to be different.
One way or another they will have to re-introduce multi-day cricket during the height of summer, to allow for practice in the build up to that next Ashes tour.  The question would be how to make it meaningful.  Would they introduce some kind of England Lions / North v South / Probables v Possibles tournament for the Bob Willis Trophy?  At the same time as the Hundred?  Where does the Hundred go if/when the Ashes are in England?

[lancsdes]

Is speaking at the West Lancs Cricket Society at Southport and Birkdale on Wed 18th.

In previous years , a speaker would do the West Lancs on Wednesday and the Merseyside on Thursday but now the Merseyside is defunct, I will have to go up to Southport.

I won’t be asking any questions . Don’t want to get thrown out on my first visit !