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Chilton
Oct 1, 2021 13:05:05 GMT
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2021 13:05:05 GMT
Takes over from Paul Allott
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Post by chris on Oct 1, 2021 14:17:29 GMT
Takes over from Paul Allott Wonder how long Allott will be allowed to carry on as a consultant. Did Chapple report to Allott? If so what now?
Vacancy created for Performance Director / Assistant Coach. Karl Krikken to be promoted into the role? Where does Croft start? 2nds coach currently filled by Krikken? Onions?
Parry currently coachibg with the Lancs Women set up. Is Tom Smith still at Leicester?
Has all the possibilities of a game of musical chairs. |
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Post by exile on Oct 1, 2021 14:28:50 GMT
I see that the club feels it necessary to state that Chilton was appointed following a "rigororous recruitment process". Really? Still, I suppose it creates a vacancy for a proper batting coach...Reminds me of what Kitty Muggeridge once said about David Frost: "he rose without trace".
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Post by Phil on Oct 1, 2021 14:33:08 GMT
So Chilton steps up from number 2 to Chapple to being his boss! Rigorous recruitment process is utter rubbish when the winner is internal!
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Post by chris on Oct 1, 2021 15:01:37 GMT
I see that the club feels it necessary to state that Chilton was appointed following a "rigororous recruitment process". Really? Still, I suppose it creates a vacancy for a proper batting coach...Reminds me of what Kitty Muggeridge once said about David Frost: "he rose without trace”.
If he was the batting coach why did they employ Dale Benkenstein this year? cricket.lancashirecricket.co.uk/news/2021-news/dale-benkenstein-named-lancashire-batting-coach/
The problem that you have over the years rightly pointed out is that they have never had a batting coach, only a bowling coach and a Head Coach.
The problem is also that Allott is not really going: cricket.lancashirecricket.co.uk/news/2021-news/paul-allott-to-step-down-as-lancashire-s-director-of-cricket/ where does that leave his successor?
"Allott will remain with Lancashire Cricket in a consultancy role with a focus on cricket recruitment and overseas placements, overseeing the Club’s second ground project working alongside Lancashire County Council and involvement and mentoring in the continued development of Lancs TV and the live stream, whilst keeping a keen interest in the progress of Lancashire’s up and coming players.”
After focussing on this lot:
1) cricket recruitment
2) overseas placements
3) second ground project
4) working with the County Council
5) Lancs TV
6) Live Streaming
7) Lancashire’s up and coming players
what is he stepping away from?
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Post by exile on Oct 1, 2021 15:40:29 GMT
Probably naive of me to assume that a former opening batsman appointed to the coaching staff would coach the batting but you are absolutely right. As for Allott, he will be in the same relationship to Chilton as Watkinson used to be i.e. puppeteer to puppet. Where does all this leave Chapple?
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Post by alanw on Oct 1, 2021 16:12:10 GMT
Probably naive of me to assume that a former opening batsman appointed to the coaching staff would coach the batting but you are absolutely right. As for Allott, he will be in the same relationship to Chilton as Watkinson used to be i.e. puppeteer to puppet. Where does all this leave Chapple? |
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Post by chris on Oct 1, 2021 16:28:12 GMT
Probably naive of me to assume that a former opening batsman appointed to the coaching staff would coach the batting but you are absolutely right. As for Allott, he will be in the same relationship to Chilton as Watkinson used to be i.e. puppeteer to puppet. Where does all this leave Chapple?
The other problem that Lancs have never addressed is the gap and wait between 2nd team and 1st team. It has always been like that even if they now share a dressing room. Would the equivalent of Yates and Johal be given a go at their ages? Balderson had to wait until the last five games, Lavelle was dropped after two, before being injured. Balderson and Lavelle have had more praise as young pros than anyone recently other than Hameed. Yet they are being held back. |
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Post by exile on Oct 1, 2021 17:05:49 GMT
Absolutely agree that our batting problem goes back years and that we need a batting coach who can sort this out. I also agree that, with few exceptions, our young players aren't brought on quickly enough. I don't see the point of having players in their late twenties regularly playing in the 2nds.
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Post by lancsdes on Oct 2, 2021 11:23:50 GMT
I posted the link on the Somerset cricket forum under other counties. Plenty of people aren’t happy with the coaching set up at Somerset and I thought this would give them a bit of relief. I described it as a “rigourous selection process “known in old money as “jobs for the boys”. Here are a couple of posts that followed
“Promoted from Performance Director to Director of Performance.
The spirit of Python is not dead.
Hope a damn good rise came with it.”
“He will, presumably, be the Performance Director’s director, in his role as Director of Performance, assuming
that an appointment is also made to his old role.”
“ I have often wondered what a Director of Cricket does all day but a Director of Performance? Wow.”
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Post by alanw on Oct 2, 2021 11:45:30 GMT
I would be interested to know which other candidates were considered for the role. I assume Chapple was considered or perhaps he did not want the position.
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Post by chris on Oct 2, 2021 12:20:56 GMT
Absolutely agree that our batting problem goes back years and that we need a batting coach who can sort this out. I also agree that, with few exceptions, our young players aren't brought on quickly enough. I don't see the point of having players in their late twenties regularly playing in the 2nds.
The problem with the Lancashire home grown batting is that no-one with the exception of Hameed and Reece has ever held down a top 3 position since Horton. We have always imported into that role with Jennings and Wells and now Salt being the most recent examples Moore, Swann, Byas or Loye and Sutcliffe if you want to roll back the years.
With places 4 to 5 similarly imported into Katich, Prince, Petersen, Vilas, Chanderpaul, du Plessis there doesn’t leave that much to settle a home grown player into. Davies, Croft, Livingstone and Bohannon are the nearest to being the exceptions. And weren’t both Bohannon and Livingston (maybe Davies) were given a whole season at 7 in the first team in the first instance?
Lancashire Academy seem to need to turn everyone into all rounders even Bohannon is thrown the ball. Add Croft, Balderson, Smith, Lamb, Mullaney, Clark, Procter. Most have either been middle order or lower ideally but pushed up to open (Smith, Procter and Balderson with only short term success - who would refuse?)
Jones came into the firsts and almost immediately scored a hundred in 2016. Then he was pushed right up the order and failed for two years. Scored another hundred in 2019 and has failed to score runs for the last two years as they have tried to squeeze into the team in the lower middle order. It’s chicken and egg but has he ever been sure of his place? When you import so many batsmen that’s what happens.
Have all the academy / age group openers in the last few years failed? They have at least tried plenty in the last decade (most will be familiar to LDCC followers): Will Hale, Tyler McGladdery, Ross Zelem, Harry Dearden, Calum Turner, Ali Chughtai, Jamie Crawley, Ed Fluck through to Owais Shah and Taylor Cornall all come mind but there are probably more. If they were not good enough the problem seems to fall at identification and coaching at the lower levels (u15 through the academy) or pressure created by the glass ceiling between the firsts and the seconds - with the former being stuffed full kolpaks and external recruits. |
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Post by lancsdes on Oct 2, 2021 12:45:29 GMT
Excellent comprehensive summing up Chris
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Post by chris on Oct 2, 2021 15:17:14 GMT
I would be interested to know which other candidates were considered for the role. I assume Chapple was considered or perhaps he did not want the position.
Listening to Chilton’s interview, his role sounds very internal: www.youtube.com/watch?v=odn9n7bW3Ls so can’t see Chapple reporting to him. And it seems that Allott will still be recruiting players. Which probably means they will buy in again. Although his record is more than reasonable since 2017: Jennings, Onions, Gleeson, Wood, Wells and Blatherwick (Salt to come). Prior to Allott we recruited the likes of Buck, Edwards, White, Kabir Ali, Naqaash Tahir (and Buttler).
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Post by exile on Oct 2, 2021 15:33:44 GMT
Absolutely agree that our batting problem goes back years and that we need a batting coach who can sort this out. I also agree that, with few exceptions, our young players aren't brought on quickly enough. I don't see the point of having players in their late twenties regularly playing in the 2nds.
That's true at the moment and let's hope it continues but there have been long stretches where the seconds have been full of players who should either have moved up or moved on. I think your overall analysis is dead right.
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