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Post by Phil on Sept 24, 2021 15:40:47 GMT
And the none points we would have picked up against Yorkshire Although it may seem like sour grapes, I don't think teams should have been allowed to carry forward any points from the earlier rounds. It was just a device to get around the fact that the ECB wasn't allowing the time for more than four matches. Yes, I agree, have a fifth game and play the Willis Trophy as a season's opener next year. Nobody really bothered about it next week. I may go for a day though! |
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Post by redandrosy on Sept 24, 2021 15:47:35 GMT
The magpies of county cricket have now nicked the shiny trophy to add to the rest of their team.
Woakes, one of the very few players who is actually theirs seems to play for them more than the other centrally contracted players.
I think they look very ordinary on paper and with Essex being out of it I think this was an easy year to win it. Warwickshire don't set a high bar. We should have been able to finish above them if we were good enough.
We can talk about headingley and other moments but an overseas bat would probably have got us a draw at notts and help in the first game. Gidney is eager to cut costs and exploit supporters loyalty for financial gain but these resources aren't put up to go out an win a loss making competition. We won't sign a Pakistani test player because we want to exploit the Indian market. The lads are fighting with one hand ties behind their back. Wish we could go back to being a cricket club and the hotel and conference business funded it rather than the other way around.
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Post by richard on Sept 24, 2021 15:52:51 GMT
I do think that if it was going to be based on “first round” performance in part then that should not have been restricted to the two games. I was thinking maybe if you finished top of the group then get 2/3 of the points (against Yorkshire say) and if you finished second then you get 1/3. That way every game is important. |
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Post by alanw on Sept 24, 2021 15:55:04 GMT
That's Somerset's best result in Division 1! Following two innings defeats and a 10 wicket defeat against us.
I don't think our performance against Nottinghamshire wasn't worthy of a championship winning team and the Hampshire game could have gone either way.
I'm not keen on the format would much prefer to go back to two divisions. I don't how you would determine who would go in which division now though. Do you use the 2019 promotion relegation or use this seasons positions. What ever you do I am sure somebody would feel badly done to.
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Post by richard on Sept 24, 2021 15:59:17 GMT
That's Somerset's best result in Division 1! Following two innings defeats and a 10 wicket defeat against us. I don't think our performance against Nottinghamshire wasn't worthy of a championship winning team and the Hampshire game could have gone either way. I'm not keen on the format would much prefer to go back to two divisions. I don't how you would determine who would go in which division now though. Do you use the 2019 promotion relegation or use this seasons positions. What ever you do I am sure somebody would feel badly done to. Assuming the divisions are equal, I assume that this years “top division” plus the top three in the second division would go into Division One whilst the others would go into Div 2. Maybe they could have given more incentive to the lesser performing teams (Somerset maybe!) and announced beforehand that the top 5 from div 1, the top 3 from div 2 and the winners of div 3 would go into the new Division One. |
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Post by exile on Sept 24, 2021 16:48:19 GMT
I think this year's format could be made to work properly if the ECB could be bothered but they regard the Championship as an embarrassing relic of a bygone era and are happy to scribble stuff on the back of an envelope. It's far from clear that own club's hierarchy don't feel the same way.
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Post by alanw on Sept 24, 2021 16:48:42 GMT
I've just looked at the tables. In 2019 three teams were promoted and one team relegated to make a 1st Division of 10x teams and 8x second (was 8x first and 10x 2nd in 2019).
Using this years standings Notts and Durham would be in the first division rather than the 2nd using 2019 standings.
Surrey and Kent would be in the 2nd division on this years results but would be 1st division on 2019 standings.
Definitely not a good idea to retrospectively announce the way the makeup of the two divisions is going to be decided.
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Post by chris on Sept 24, 2021 17:28:00 GMT
The magpies of county cricket have now nicked the shiny trophy to add to the rest of their team. Woakes, one of the very few players who is actually theirs seems to play for them more than the other centrally contracted players. I think they look very ordinary on paper and with Essex being out of it I think this was an easy year to win it. Warwickshire don't set a high bar. We should have been able to finish above them if we were good enough. We can talk about headingley and other moments but an overseas bat would probably have got us a draw at notts and help in the first game. Gidney is eager to cut costs and exploit supporters loyalty for financial gain but these resources aren't put up to go out an win a loss making competition. We won't sign a Pakistani test player because we want to exploit the Indian market. The lads are fighting with one hand ties behind their back. Wish we could go back to being a cricket club and the hotel and conference business funded it rather than the other way around.
Holder's bowling average 88 (presumably and luckily replaced by Woakes bowling average 17). Big winning difference. Warwickshire can certainly thank the ECB for changing their mind after saying that Woakes was a available for one game, and when both he and they asked for a second they agreed.
Holder 2 for 177 in 45 overs econ 3.9: Warwickshire v Lancashire DRAWN, Warwickshire v Hampshire LOST
Woakes 12 for 205 in 73 overs econ 2.8: Warwickshire v Yorkshire WON, Warwickshire v Somerset WON
If the Old Trafford test was not cancelled would they have beaten Yorkshire?
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Post by exile on Sept 24, 2021 17:37:38 GMT
Chris Woakes played really well in this match, as did all the Warwickshire seamers, but what did for Somerset was their extraordinary approach to Warwickshire's second innings. On a pitch that rewarded accurate, attacking bowling, they let them score a reallyt more than 5 an over.
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Post by lancsdes on Sept 24, 2021 17:59:53 GMT
“ Somerset have never shown any backbone when they have had a chance of winning trophies for themselves we shouldn't have expected anything less than this pathetic capitulation from them.” That is sour grapes too. They won the Royal London a couple of years ago and were only denied by a very good Essex team for last two years; they did show backbone. |
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Post by lancsdes on Sept 24, 2021 18:02:08 GMT
“ The magpies of county cricket have now nicked the shiny trophy to add to the rest of their team.
Wish we could go back to being a cricket club and the hotel and conference business funded it rather than the other way around.” Completely agree with that red and rosy . Don’t help ourselves putting out wickets like that one against Warwickshire either |
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Post by lancsdes on Sept 24, 2021 18:12:37 GMT
“ Chris Woakes played really well in this match, as did all the Warwickshire seamers, but what did for Somerset was their extraordinary approach to Warwickshire's second innings. On a pitch that rewarded accurate, attacking bowling, they let them score a reallyt more than 5 an over. “Agree entirely Exile. Abell’s head is scrambled but really shouldn’t Somerset coaches etc also be telling him. On the Somerset forum they were saying how ridiculous the tactics were. You cannot let batsmen think you have stopped trying to get them out. It’s been said many times on here before. We’ve lost a few games that way.
I will accept the cricketers know far more about how to move the ball off the pitch them fans do but people who have watched cricket for 40 years spot patterns and we know that going too defensive never works. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 24, 2021 18:14:27 GMT
To be honest they should have had the BWT for whoever finished top in Division 2/3 would have given them an incentive with a final at Lords to play
As for today first time I’ve watched Warwickshire impressed with Norwell bowled an excellent spell mainly at Davies congratulations to them and we go again next season
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Post by exile on Sept 24, 2021 19:09:08 GMT
To be honest they should have had the BWT for whoever finished top in Division 2/3 With such a short final section to the CC there was never going to be anything but a small margin between 1st and 2nd. I think there was a good case for treating the BWT as the ultimate decider, as the Aussies do in the Sheffield Shield. I hope that at least we take it seriously. |
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Post by chris on Sept 24, 2021 19:24:57 GMT
To be honest they should have had the BWT for whoever finished top in Division 2/3 With such a short final section to the CC there was never going to be anything but a small margin between 1st and 2nd. I think there was a good case for treating the BWT as the ultimate decider, as the Aussies do in the Sheffield Shield. I hope that at least we take it seriously.
Whilst it makes an almost false closeness to the end of the championship, it allows very small things to have a major influence:
The carry forward of points. ECB allowing some players to play but not others, and allowing squad strengthening for four games whilst they have out lawed in the T20. Notts scoring more points than Warwickshire in both Group Stage (151 to 145) and the Division Stage (68 to 56). Not even second. |
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