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Post by chris on Jul 17, 2022 19:30:03 GMT
I know injuries are all part of sport, but would Mahmood have made a difference? I really only got back into following Lancs at the end of the last CC season so without looking it up I don't know whether he played t20 much if at all for Lancs.
Gleeson might only have played when either it was clear Lamb was struggling, or when we were forced to replace Wood prior to his England call up.
Same could easily apply to finals day, had either Buttler or Livingstone been made available, Jennings may have lost his place after his 300 against Somerset. And of course he top scored against Yorkshire in the Semi.
Mahmood has a T20 best of 4-25 for Lancs. 28 wickets in 24 games or 70 overs. Econ similar to Ric Gleeson, slightly better strike rate. He might not have missed last night either.
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Post by Dave Towers on Jul 17, 2022 21:29:39 GMT
I've read one or two comments about how nervous Vilas appeared to be before walking out to bat against Hampshire. His three previous scores in the competition were 42 (Birmingham), 51 (Essex) and 63* (Yorkshire). They are all good scores and all three games were won. Why would he be so nervous, purely because it was the final?
General consensus is that he is a decent captain. I think initially he was only given a two year contract by Lancashire and this is either his 5th or 6th season, without looking it up. I recall there have been some criticisms of his decisions in T20, easy to do of course in hindsight. One in particular I recall was when we played that QF at Durham: we looked like we were really turning the screw and then Vilas brought Livingstone (I think) on to bowl quite late on when the RPO requirement was quite high, and I think it was Ravi Bopara who took LL to the cleaners and won the tie with time to spare.
Another I remember was Finals Days three or four years ago; I believe we were playing Worcestershire in the SF and after a few quiet early overs Livingstone was brought on in the power play, went for 20+ and gave Worcs some good momentum. However, that may have been when Livingstone himself was captain.
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Post by Leythlancs on Jul 17, 2022 21:59:03 GMT
I've read one or two comments about how nervous Vilas appeared to be before walking out to bat against Hampshire. His three previous scores in the competition were 42 (Birmingham), 51 (Essex) and 63* (Yorkshire). They are all good scores and all three games were won. Why would he be so nervous, purely because it was the final? General consensus is that he is a decent captain. I think initially he was only given a two year contract by Lancashire and this is either his 5th or 6th season, without looking it up. I recall there have been some criticisms of his decisions in T20, easy to do of course in hindsight. One in particular I recall was when we played that QF at Durham: we looked like we were really turning the screw and then Vilas brought Livingstone (I think) on to bowl quite late on when the RPO requirement was quite high, and I think it was Ravi Bopara who took LL to the cleaners and won the tie with time to spare. Another I remember was Finals Days three or four years ago; I believe we were playing Worcestershire in the SF and after a few quiet early overs Livingstone was brought on in the power play, went for 20+ and gave Worcs some good momentum. However, that may have been when Livingstone himself was captain. He seems to struggle to grasp the fact that if batters are struggling to get the first 5 bowlers away, then they will target the 6th bowler. As well as Wells has done with the ball this season, he’s still a part time spinner, and bringing him on was a risk, given how much control we had. For some reason, Lamb isn’t trusted to bowl 4 overs, but he is trusted to bowl the last over. |
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Post by Dave Towers on Jul 17, 2022 22:25:37 GMT
Therefore another no-ball should have been called, which would have made Lancs the winners in any case. Thanks for the clarification of the law regarding the non run out and removal of the bails, but is this also a law, i.e. that a no-ball is called if the field is changed for a free hit? I might not be thinking straight here and it's getting a bit late, but had that been spotted and two runs added to the total to bring the scores level, could there then have been a third "last ball" as a penalty for the second last being a no ball? What I'm thinking is that Hampshire would then have been keen to send down an extra delivery which might actually dismiss Gleeson, (no overstepping so no free hit) thereby making Lancs nine wickets down with the scores tied and Hants therefore winning? I'm signing off now before getting totally bog eyed! |
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Post by richard on Jul 17, 2022 22:44:11 GMT
Would not the first bye have been awarded too, meaning Lancashire win with a ball to spare ? |
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Post by Admin on Jul 18, 2022 4:59:23 GMT
To be fair to the umpires the chaos wasn't down to them, brought about by the fact they no longer call no balls and didn't get the call early enough. |
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Post by richard on Jul 18, 2022 6:08:43 GMT
To be fair to the umpires the chaos wasn't down to them, brought about by the fact they no longer call no balls and didn't get the call early enough. That was the first one. The issue with calling dead ball early was the on field umpires. |
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Post by exile on Jul 18, 2022 8:35:28 GMT
I think the format of Finals Day + the deliberate whipping up of a frantic atmosphere, rather than the umpires, is to blame for these chaotic endings. The worst example must be the 2006 Final at Trent Bridge, when Notts needed a 4 off the last ball and Leicestershire bowled a really high full toss which was not called as a no-ball. It was raining so hard that this game should have been called off but, in spite of having a reserve day, there was enormous pressure on the umpires to get it all over and done with. This contributed to their error.
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Post by LeythLancs on Jul 18, 2022 8:42:56 GMT
Even with the chaos of the day, umpires should've been able to see Vince moving fielders around for a free hit and been able to join the dots.
He set a field to defend the boundary, then brought one in to defend 2 on the leg side.
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Post by LeythLancs on Jul 18, 2022 10:20:06 GMT
If we have Gleeson, Wood, Mahmood, Parkinson and Hartley available next year, should they all play? Or do we need an all-rounder that can bat 7?
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Post by exile on Jul 18, 2022 11:00:16 GMT
Three seamers and two specialist spinners is a standard attack for T20 so I think it depends on who is available as an overseas. The all-rounder was supposed to be Lamb but he's had a pretty awful season so far - he didn't score any runs and Mahmood would surely have done better with the ball. David, we are all agreed, began well but faded badly so a better all-rounder at 6 is probably what we need.
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