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Post by Dave Towers on Jul 26, 2022 19:49:56 GMT
Has leaning ever made runs against anyone other than lancs A good question. It was last season at OT when we lost about two days of play, (the game in which Anderson took 7 for 19), but still came very close to winning to be held up by Leaning's 53* in about four hours. Looks like we've got our work cut out to get anything from the current game; 125 just to make them bat again. Mind you, we had a 100 deficit in the last game, can we do it again? |
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Post by John W on Jul 27, 2022 7:25:19 GMT
Looks like we've got our work cut out to get anything from the current game; 125 just to make them bat again. Mind you, we had a 100 deficit in the last game, can we do it again? When was the last time we conceded a 100+ run first innings lead in consecutive matches and won? ...If ever? |
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Post by exile on Jul 27, 2022 9:09:48 GMT
The difference between this and the last game is that the Northants bowlers were not really on their game 2nd innings, especially Ben Sanderson, and that we had loads of time to chase on a pitch that had flattened out. In this game, to set a target that Kent won't knock off with ease against an undermanned and tiring seam attack, we have to bat at a reasonable rate until at least lunch tomorrow. That would give us a chance of a low-scoring draw. We can only win if the pitch starts to offer a fair amount of turn, which has so far failed to materialise. The most probable result is a Kent win; the least probable is a Lancs win. We have to hope that Hants and Surrey don't win.
Lancs have arguably made mistakes in team selection for this game but they haven't played especially badly - they've just had rotten luck and there aren't enough games in the season for this kind of luck to even itself out. It reminds me of the old Gillette Cup finals, which began at 10.30 a.m. in early September. The side batting first had to play on a damp pitch and usually lost enough early wickets to make it impossible to score a competitive total. The side batting second played on a pitch that had dried out and found life easy. There were exceptions, of course, so let's hope for one today.
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Post by MickeyG on Jul 27, 2022 10:49:04 GMT
Reasonable start this morning so far. Maybe the conditions have settled a bit. Unless Lancs could score a lot quickly, I suppose playing for a draw is where they are at.
I'm listening to the Glos/Northants game as well as Lancs and they were just talking about the Glos/Lancs draw saying Lancs scored too slowly to win. That does seem to be a problem for Lancs this season. Would others agree, or has it been normal? I really only started following CC late last season, after I discovered it on Youtube (I don't live in the UK).
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Post by exile on Jul 27, 2022 11:07:02 GMT
I think that's fair comment, Mickey. Over-caution has been a longstanding problem at Lancs, especially since the two divisions came in. The prevailing mindset is to make sure you don't lose, rather than try to win. As well as the culture of the club, I think the slow pitches at OT are also at least partly to blame. On these pitches, being aggressive too early gets you out but playing slowly and carefully keeps you in until the bowlers are tired and can be flogged around. Unfortunately, this often results in draws. The pitch at Bristol was very like an OT pitch and our batters played accordingly.
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Post by GarethPlatt on Jul 27, 2022 14:57:04 GMT
I think that's fair comment, Mickey. Over-caution has been a longstanding problem at Lancs, especially since the two divisions came in. The prevailing mindset is to make sure you don't lose, rather than try to win. As well as the culture of the club, I think the slow pitches at OT are also at least partly to blame. On these pitches, being aggressive too early gets you out but playing slowly and carefully keeps you in until the bowlers are tired and can be flogged around. Unfortunately, this often results in draws. The pitch at Bristol was very like an OT pitch and our batters played accordingly. Why is Croft playing out maidens against the part-time spinner? |
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Post by man in the stand on Jul 27, 2022 16:56:22 GMT
Again a good recovery from the 1st innings and Wells was busy and quick scoring and good to see Bohannon getting some runs.. Jennings has the possibility of scoring 1,000 1st Class runs for Lancs this season but starts so slowly in his innings it probably won't happen.
Despite an extended morning session Kent only managed 31 overs and were -4 overs at tea when I left.
The wicket has eased and it may be difficult to bowl Kent out but you never know...
Despite six dropped six catches Hants just have 3 Yorkies to bowl out.....Surrey look less well placed...
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Post by exile on Jul 27, 2022 18:07:40 GMT
252 in front with 5 wickets standing. Not quite enough to declare - need at least another 50 or so.
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Post by Phil on Jul 27, 2022 21:41:34 GMT
252 in front with 5 wickets standing. Not quite enough to declare - need at least another 50 or so. Yes a tricky decision. I thought we batted very well today and at a good rate. Need Jones to stay to get at least another 50 quickly. Would setting them 300 in 80 be too generous or do we need to make it 330 off 75? Would Kent go for either? |
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Post by Dave Towers on Jul 27, 2022 21:47:53 GMT
252 in front with 5 wickets standing. Not quite enough to declare - need at least another 50 or so. Yes a tricky decision. I thought we batted very well today and at a good rate. Need Jones to stay to get at least another 50 quickly. Would setting them 300 in 80 be too generous or do we need to make it 330 off 75? Would Kent go for either? Being a boring old fart I'd go for the latter, (clearly brought up the Lancashire way). We've fought hard to get back into this game and I hope we don't end up with just three points from it. |
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Post by Butter_Fingers on Jul 28, 2022 3:16:18 GMT
Unlikely to be much play before lunch if the forecast is correct so got to declare at the earliest opportunity, a few early wickets and who knows.
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Post by Admin on Jul 28, 2022 5:20:45 GMT
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Post by exile on Jul 28, 2022 8:09:24 GMT
Unlikely to be much play before lunch if the forecast is correct so got to declare at the earliest opportunity, a few early wickets and who knows. Depends whose forecast you look at - some forecasts suggest it will be dry by start of play - but probably best for Lancs to have the decision taken out of their hands. Otherwise caution will prevail and Kent will be 8 down at stumps. |
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Post by salopian on Jul 28, 2022 8:44:35 GMT
We're going to have to gamble at some point as we're running out of games. Might as well set them around 300 and go for it. If we lose so be it - a draw's not much good if we seriously want to challenge the top 2.
Anyway it's dry (but overcast) here in Stockport at the moment (9.45am) so fingers crossed
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Post by John W on Jul 28, 2022 9:59:02 GMT
We're going to have to gamble at some point as we're running out of games. Might as well set them around 300 and go for it. If we lose so be it - a draw's not much good if we seriously want to challenge the top 2. Anyway it's dry (but overcast) here in Stockport at the moment (9.45am) so fingers crossed It's dry at the ground, totally surrounded by cloud. Not enough for the floodlights to be needed but I'm sure the umpires will soon rectify that! Quite a bit cooler than yesterday. |
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