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Post by Gareth Platt on Sept 12, 2024 16:30:40 GMT
The worry is that the LCCC board have given up on four-day cricket as it doesn't make any money, and don't care which division we're playing in as long as we perform in the Blast.
However, I'd like to think this isn't the case. If it were, why did they decide to sack Chapple, and pay him off, when he was keeping in Div 1 on a shoestring? Why did they sign the most high-profile overseas player in the comp, when he is very much a red-ball specialist? They could have also have saved the money on Anderson Phillip, rather than parachuting him in for two games.
A more optimistic read on the situation is this:
- Given the club's debt problems and the fact that we've got good young players coming out of our ears, the club have decided to rebuild the team around these kids and sprinkle in a couple of star overseas players to provide the experience.
- This season, that strategy has been impractical due to the fact that most overseas players were playing in the T20 World Cup.
- The club compounded the problem by channelling a large chunk of the budget towards Lyon, when really we needed a fast bowler, and Tom Bruce (given he averages 47 in FCC, I'm not sure how anyone could have predicted what happened with him).
In saying that, I imagine that, deep down, the club have resigned themselves to relegation. They've cut the squad quite drastically (too drastically, they might admit) and the best thing for these young lads is to spend a year or two in Div 2 learning their craft. Get a couple of really experienced overseas pros (a batsman and a seam bowler) next season and we might just come back up.
That's my take anyway. Hopefully it's fair and balanced.
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Post by alanw on Sept 12, 2024 16:39:22 GMT
Somerset now have a realistic chance of winning the championship. They must be looking at our recent form and relishing their trip to Old Trafford.
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Post by Admin on Sept 12, 2024 16:59:07 GMT
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Post by John W on Sept 12, 2024 18:12:01 GMT
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Post by Phil on Sept 12, 2024 18:21:54 GMT
Somerset now have a realistic chance of winning the championship. They must be looking at our recent form and relishing their trip to Old Trafford. Have we missed out on Archie Vaughan,a former player at Alderley Edge? |
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Post by lancsdes on Sept 12, 2024 19:11:52 GMT
Didn’t know that Phil. He looked a terrific cricketer at Taunton ; excellent first innings batting as well as his 11 wickets.
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Post by Admin on Sept 12, 2024 19:14:52 GMT
Somerset now have a realistic chance of winning the championship. They must be looking at our recent form and relishing their trip to Old Trafford. Have we missed out on Archie Vaughan,a former player at Alderley Edge? Did he go to Millfield school? They tend to end up at Taunton |
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Post by lancsdes on Sept 12, 2024 19:21:29 GMT
Yes, he went to Millfield.
Some wag on a cricket forum today said that Michael Vaughan would soon be known as Archie Vaughan’s father.
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Post by lancsdes on Sept 12, 2024 19:37:58 GMT
Very good post by my namesake Gareth ( for those who don’t remember me from previous forum ) I’m Des Platt.
Gareth produced a good reply recently when I said that the vibes coming out of OT are now that real cricket is not important. Gareth correctly made the point that the season long signing of Lyon ( which I fully supported) , suggested the opposite. Gareth does , however, acknowledge that feeling himself.
I’ve never regretted resigning Lancs membership after 25 years around 2015/6. It already had that feeling of being a place run by money men without a feel for cricket . It was a great sadness nevertheless. I had always imagined much of retirement being spent at Old Trafford . I dislike the ambience of the new ground ;yes the old ground of which I still have a picture on my wall was scruffy and worn out but it could have had its grandeur retained and been modernised as well as Trent Bridge. It does look fine for Test Cricket but I find it depressing for County Cricket.
It was great to be at Taunton for four days at a place where cricket always feels important. I so hope they manage to win their first championship ; we sabotaged them in 2010 ! Always great to see Surrey self destruct ; I’ve had that privilege twice in my life now!
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Post by exile on Sept 12, 2024 19:39:14 GMT
Must have been quite a bunsen at Taunton. Intriguing final fixtures: Somerset have to play us and then Hampshire; Surrey have to play Durham and then Essex.
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Post by slipstream on Sept 13, 2024 1:13:25 GMT
x.com/BBCLancsCricket/status/1834213680646369761The captains thoughts. Will he stay in the crease and not wander down every few balls so their keeper stands up to the stumps and he is is out lbw for single figures? Is he not able to defend good balls? To only take 1 point from the game  |
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Post by ian on Sept 13, 2024 7:13:15 GMT
Fair play to Keaton for fronting up after 3 innings defeats but same old stuff about "guys not performing" but what we all want to know is why, what are the reasons everyone is out of form and he's not going to answer that and Scott Read is not going to ask him but I worry that when we go down and nothing changes the questions still won't be asked and we carry on as someone said for 2 years in div 2 god forbid. Success in any sport is all about confidence, motivation and energy and that's not just down to the players as Bumble implies - when every one of them - and anyone who comes into the team - look flat dispirited and out of form - it's down to some leadership to instill. Well it won't be long now but sadly after relegation is confirmed I can see comments on similar lines to "guys not performing" but with added 'will need to step up next season in Division 2". Last few weeks have been humiliating now it's depressing.
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Post by sillypoint on Sept 13, 2024 7:40:24 GMT
Nothing we can do about the DOC and the coach, but we can do something about the board.
We are still, just about, a members club, and could call an EGM to propose a vote of no confidence in the board. No point doing that, of course, unless there are others to bring in.
Are there not some ex-players with good contacts, who are as frustrated as we are at the current situation, and might be prepared to do something similar to Botham at Durham?.
On playing matters, Davies and Hameed both completed 1,000 runs for the season. Bedingham scored more runs himself than we managed as a team in our 1st innings. Food for thought.
Des might know what the view was at Taunton, but I was very surprised that Surrey didn't go for the win, given they only required a modest run-rate. Pitch was taking a bit of spin but was no means a raging turner. The best player of spin I saw at Lancs, Gehan Mendis, would have been down the pitch to every ball, rarely hitting a big shot but just placing the ball for singles. This would have knocked the bowlers off their length and taken the close catchers away. The only one I saw do this, even occasionally, was Foakes. The rest were creasebound and played into Somerset's hands, with the inevitable result. Surrey got what they deserved.
I fear we could be in for an even bigger thrashing next week.
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Post by oldhamexile on Sept 13, 2024 8:11:26 GMT
Fair play to Keaton for fronting up after 3 innings defeats but same old stuff about "guys not performing" but what we all want to know is why, what are the reasons everyone is out of form and he's not going to answer that and Scott Read is not going to ask him but I worry that when we go down and nothing changes the questions still won't be asked and we carry on as someone said for 2 years in div 2 god forbid. Success in any sport is all about confidence, motivation and energy and that's not just down to the players as Bumble implies - when every one of them - and anyone who comes into the team - look flat dispirited and out of form - it's down to some leadership to instill. Well it won't be long now but sadly after relegation is confirmed I can see comments on similar lines to "guys not performing" but with added 'will need to step up next season in Division 2". Last few weeks have been humiliating now it's depressing. Good post. The coach and/or DoC have to carry the can for the players not performing. There isn't a single player in the squad that's performed better than last season, the vast majority (Bohannon, Balderson, Hartley, Wells, Bailey, Williams) have performed appreciably worse than last season. The overseas signings have been shocking. Iyer in particular represents a nadir. If a coach cannot improve the performance of the players, or they can't perform under him for whatever reason, he has to go. They should have already removed Benkenstein and brought someone in on a short term contract to give the players some confidence, perhaps instil a sense of fun. The appointment of Benkenstein and the failure to address the obvious failure of his regime reflect either incompetence, or a lack of interest in the cricket side of the operation (yuck). |
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Post by Phil on Sept 13, 2024 8:46:06 GMT
The worry is that the LCCC board have given up on four-day cricket as it doesn't make any money, and don't care which division we're playing in as long as we perform in the Blast. However, I'd like to think this isn't the case. If it were, why did they decide to sack Chapple, and pay him off, when he was keeping in Div 1 on a shoestring? Why did they sign the most high-profile overseas player in the comp, when he is very much a red-ball specialist? They could have also have saved the money on Anderson Phillip, rather than parachuting him in for two games. A more optimistic read on the situation is this: - Given the club's debt problems and the fact that we've got good young players coming out of our ears, the club have decided to rebuild the team around these kids and sprinkle in a couple of star overseas players to provide the experience. - This season, that strategy has been impractical due to the fact that most overseas players were playing in the T20 World Cup. - The club compounded the problem by channelling a large chunk of the budget towards Lyon, when really we needed a fast bowler, and Tom Bruce (given he averages 47 in FCC, I'm not sure how anyone could have predicted what happened with him). In saying that, I imagine that, deep down, the club have resigned themselves to relegation. They've cut the squad quite drastically (too drastically, they might admit) and the best thing for these young lads is to spend a year or two in Div 2 learning their craft. Get a couple of really experienced overseas pros (a batsman and a seam bowler) next season and we might just come back up. That's my take anyway. Hopefully it's fair and balanced. Tom Bruce had only played in New Zealand, hardly a top league |
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