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Post by exile on Aug 24, 2023 11:14:41 GMT
It's an interesting debate but it's never easy in any sport to make comparisons with earlier years. Fast bowlers are getting injured more frequently in all major cricket playing countries and sports scientists aren't sure why. The only logical explanations are (a) that modern training methods don't work and/or (b) that modern cricket is more physically demanding than it used to be.
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Post by Rob on Aug 24, 2023 13:37:28 GMT
Harold Larwood was I believe injured quite badly in the Bodyline series and never played again.
Frank Tyson had alot of injuries in part due to flat wickets at Northants and retired at about 30.
Ian Botham had a serious back injury in about 1982 and had to change his action and was never the same player again.
Bob Willis and Chris Old suffered from continual injuries.
Darren Gough, Simon Jones and Chris Tremlett all had their careers curtailed by continual injuries.
So this is nothing new. The standards of fitness are of course far higher than 40 years ago, and generally people drink and smoke less which obviously means they are healthier as well.
The whole stress fracture issue has invited alot of discussion. One is that scans are alot better now and may pick up the issue whereas previously you were expected to "bowl through it" to show how tough you were. Players also play alot more abroad now in 2020 contests, meaning they dont have 6 months off (those who dont go on tour with England) to heal up.
They do lots of analysis of actions and things and sports medicine has improved, but what hasnt changed is pace bowling puts huge strain on the body. That will always be the case unless they start pitching like in baseball I guess.....
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Post by mickeyg on Aug 24, 2023 21:48:30 GMT
Larwood retired in 38, Rob 5 years after bodyline, but I take your point otherwise.
I think your point about how many games is good. They are playing all year round now, they barely get a break.
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Post by Rob on Aug 24, 2023 23:58:45 GMT
Never played for England again I think- partially political as well doubtless.
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Post by mickeyg on Aug 25, 2023 0:34:37 GMT
Right, never for England again thanks to bodyline.
Incidentally, the bodyline series from 1984 is on youtube if anyone is interested. I watched in on there a few months back at the start of the Ashes.
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Post by chris on Sept 3, 2023 7:43:50 GMT
Signings are Chilton's responsibility, unless he has simply been told there is no money.
Warwickshire, Surrey, Essex and others signing new overseas for September. Lancashire refusing to. A position which safely mid table is acceptable only if youth are given a chance, but a position which is undermined and nonsense when selections include a player they were happy to let go. Does Chapple disagree that Lamb should not have been offered a new contract? His continued inclusion seems to contradict and undermine his line manager.
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Post by Phil on Sept 3, 2023 13:32:53 GMT
Signings are Chilton's responsibility, unless he has simply been told there is no money. Warwickshire, Surrey, Essex and others signing new overseas for September. Lancashire refusing to. A position which safely mid table is acceptable only if youth are given a chance, but a position which is undermined and nonsense when selections include a player they were happy to let go. Does Chapple disagree that Lamb should not have been offered a new contract? His continued inclusion seems to contradict and undermine his line manager. Has Lamb played lately? |
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Sept 3, 2023 13:36:41 GMT
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Post by alanw on Sept 3, 2023 13:36:41 GMT
Signings are Chilton's responsibility, unless he has simply been told there is no money. Warwickshire, Surrey, Essex and others signing new overseas for September. Lancashire refusing to. A position which safely mid table is acceptable only if youth are given a chance, but a position which is undermined and nonsense when selections include a player they were happy to let go. Does Chapple disagree that Lamb should not have been offered a new contract? His continued inclusion seems to contradict and undermine his line manager. Has Lamb played lately? Was on loan to Somerset for the one day cup. I think he played all 8 games and did OK. |
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Sept 3, 2023 18:36:59 GMT
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Post by denno97 on Sept 3, 2023 18:36:59 GMT
Was on loan to Somerset for the one day cup. I think he played all 8 games and did OK. Rather Jones/Lamb carry drinks than Boyden/Singh especially when there’s second xi cricket this week and we have a slim chance of winning that title |
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Post by chris on Sept 3, 2023 20:08:39 GMT
Was on loan to Somerset for the one day cup. I think he played all 8 games and did OK. Rather Jones/Lamb carry drinks than Boyden/Singh especially when there’s second xi cricket this week and we have a slim chance of winning that title Yes, but had there been a warm up injury to a bowler - someone failing a fitness test with a niggle (we've heard it all before) Lamb would have played.
Even though the game is in Northampton, if not needed this morning at 10.30am Boyden / Singh / Hurst / Lavelle whoever could still have made it to S&B by tomorrow and left the drinks duties to those leaving the club, as you say - without jeopardising the clubs priorities.
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Post by Rob on Sept 4, 2023 13:09:32 GMT
My issue with signings is if they immediately go off and spend more time playing in franchises rather than playing for Lancs.
I know that is the modern game, but some loyalty is always appreciated as well.
I would prefer they gave opportunities to younger players TBH but if they do bring in a batter a more adhesive player is probably the way to go.
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Post by Gareth Platt on Sept 14, 2023 19:59:17 GMT
All very quiet still.
Given all the outgoings (Vilas, Jones, Lamb, Parkinson, both the overseas players and probably Croft too), you'd assume we're going to make some signings, right?
Or are we going to trust the young players?
If it's the latter, fair play, it's an exciting strategy and we've certainly got some good'uns. But we could still use at least one quality fast bowler to give the attack variety.
Going to be tricky recruiting genuinely quick bowlers next year, given the fact that the T2OWC starts pretty much straight after the IPL and all the 90mph bowlers will be playing in that. Hopefully there's some unknown Aussie-South African we can pick up.
Maybe we'll also pick up a rough diamond from another county a la Luke Wood. Henry Brookes at Warwickshire could be interesting, for example.
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Sept 14, 2023 21:05:37 GMT
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Post by redandrosy on Sept 14, 2023 21:05:37 GMT
The squad is paper thin. Two overseas would boost it but getting guys better than we have to come over for most or all of our season with a packed international calendar is hard.
There was a rumour of John Simpson coming back home but I doubt it was anything more than that.
Chilton talked of a batter who bowls off spin. Cameron Steel is a batsman who bowls leg spin and is in and out of the Surrey side and I don't think has renewed for next year. Not a star but a decent cricketer. Most decent players have been renewed or moved by now. Can't see many domestic players who wouldn't block potentially better youngsters that we have.
Has anyone heard anything.
Any news or views on Blatherwick renewing?
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Post by Gareth Platt on Sept 15, 2023 6:12:11 GMT
The squad is paper thin. Two overseas would boost it but getting guys better than we have to come over for most or all of our season with a packed international calendar is hard. There was a rumour of John Simpson coming back home but I doubt it was anything more than that. Chilton talked of a batter who bowls off spin. Cameron Steel is a batsman who bowls leg spin and is in and out of the Surrey side and I don't think has renewed for next year. Not a star but a decent cricketer. Most decent players have been renewed or moved by now. Can't see many domestic players who wouldn't block potentially better youngsters that we have.Has anyone heard anything. Any news or views on Blatherwick renewing? The bolded part is the issue. How many domestic players have a higher ceiling than Bell, Lavelle, Aspinwall, Singh or Hurst? I'd build the batting line-up around Jennings, Wells, Balderson and Bohannon and rotate the other youngsters. We definitely need more bowling firepower though. |
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Post by sillypoint on Sept 15, 2023 8:59:27 GMT
We need quick bowlers. Mahmood unlikely to play and I don't believe Blatherwick is good enough. I agree it's not easy to get them and we might need to get 2 or 3 different ones on short-term contracts unless there's another Williams lurking somewhere.
We've enough young batsmen coming through to give them a chance.
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