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Post by exile on Sept 7, 2023 11:51:22 GMT
I have no criticism whatsoever of Salt - quite the contrary; he's a fine player with a fine attitude - but it's pretty clear that he really wasn't needed in this game and that we'd have won just as easily without him. So it was a good opportunity to play one of the younger wicket-keepers. As regards always playing your strongest team (which in Lancs thinking is also your most experienced team), this is a dangerous strategy which can lead to a club suddenly finding that it doesn't have adequate replacements in case of injury, loss of form etc. It's more or less what Lancs did with the great OD side of the 1990s: they let that side grow old together and suddenly Lancs stopped winning. Apart from the t20 in 2015, we haven't won an OD trophy since.
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Post by Rob on Sept 7, 2023 12:20:54 GMT
I would play Salt as a specialist batsman if necessary and leave out Vilas for the next game. Salt has two red ball 100s this season and has only just turned 27- Vilas has been a fine servant but hasnt done much particularly in the Championship this season. He can always be brought back in the last two games if they feel they need mroe experience (or Croft).
Salt could also potentially be a red ball player for England, although that seems a long way off at the moment. He is technically very correct.
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Post by chris on Sept 7, 2023 14:24:29 GMT
Chapple's post match comments regarding Wells yet again leave you scratching your head. It was pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that Wells and Hartley bowled from the start yesterday morning in order to get through the remaining 13 overs asap before the new ball. Of course Wells suddenly turned into Shane Warne and took career best figures but the fact is the only reason he bowled was the impending new ball. Now, if Lancashire rate Wells as more than just a part time spinner as Chapple suggests, why wasn't he tried on Monday afternoon when the game was slightly drifting and even Bailey bowled a couple of overs of spin? Then you have to question the captaincy of Jennings for not giving him a go. He took 5 wickets yesterday, he's taken 4 more all season, that makes me think that Lancashire regard him as a part time spinner...more head scratching! |
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Post by sillypoint on Sept 7, 2023 17:28:20 GMT
I think Salt is eyeing up eventually replacing Jonny Bairstow in the test team. I've no problem whatsoever with playing Salt but it makes no sense playing Vilas.
I agree that Wells should be bowling more often and earlier.
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Post by anyportinastorm on Sept 7, 2023 17:58:15 GMT
Watching from the stands on Tuesday afternoon and there being no sign of Wells being thrown the ball I noticed he had also been removed from the slip cordon and banished to the boundary to field. I pondered a little falling out maybe? Probably reading far too much in to it.
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Post by John W on Sept 7, 2023 19:14:54 GMT
Watching from the stands on Tuesday afternoon and there being no sign of Wells being thrown the ball I noticed he had also been removed from the slip cordon and banished to the boundary to field. I pondered a little falling out maybe? Probably reading far too much in to it. I have noticed that he hasn't been in the slips for a few games this season. He was in the slips on Sunday when Williams was bowling then Williams took Wells's place in the slips when he wasn't bowling. He has dropped a few this season so maybe he is suffering from a lack of confidence. |
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Post by redandrosy on Sept 7, 2023 22:34:42 GMT
He has dropped quite a few at first slip. Grazing in the deep as a result. Bell at first and Williams at third had a go in the slips last match with the skipper at second.
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Post by oldhamexile on Sept 8, 2023 8:09:37 GMT
As others have said Salt is a fine player and has also committed to playing red ball for Lancashire when his franchise and international commitments allow. For those reasons I would play him on Sunday, particularly as Bell is already in the side and by leaving out the retiring Vilas it's easy to create a spot for another young batter.
Also agree that Salt might be in a shout with taking the gloves in Test matches although it's a crowded landscape with talented younger keeper batters like Robinson, Smith and Rew. I've heard Robinson is strongly fancied so good for Salt that it looks like he'll take the gloves v. Ireland.
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Post by John W on Sept 8, 2023 17:48:41 GMT
A couple of things I picked up from Northants.
1. George Balderson - I was speaking to someone I know who is firmly inside the Lancashire team group. We were talking about Balderson and he said Balderson's attitude both on and off the pitch was exemplary, not a jack the lad like a couple of others. Our DOC said similar things about CDG at the forum a few weeks ago. For the Essex game Balderson was dropped and CDG got the nod! It's a good job the Kiwi wasn't signed for the entire season or else George might have missed out on a couple of tons.
Matt Parkinson - chatting to a Lancs member who is seen at most of the grounds, Parky's name cropped up. He said that he had heard (so this is a rumour) that he had fallen out with a player and the coaching staff had backed said player. I'll not name him but there is a current thread about him in the players section, he does not play red ball cricket and the last time he faced more than 50 balls was in 2021, I'm sure you know who I mean! Lancs member also said that Parky was absolutely overwhelmed when he first walked into the Kent dressing room at all the happy, smiling faces including all the coaching staff.
As I said, number 1 is fact, number 2 a rumour.
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Post by chris on Sept 8, 2023 18:12:07 GMT
A couple of things I picked up from Northants. 1. George Balderson - I was speaking to someone I know who is firmly inside the Lancashire team group. We were talking about Balderson and he said Balderson's attitude both on and off the pitch was exemplary, not a jack the lad like a couple of others. Our DOC said similar things about CDG at the forum a few weeks ago. For the Essex game Balderson was dropped and CDG got the nod! It's a good job the Kiwi wasn't signed for the entire season or else George might have missed out on a couple of tons. Matt Parkinson - chatting to a Lancs member who is seen at most of the grounds, Parky's name cropped up. He said that he had heard (so this is a rumour) that he had fallen out with a player and the coaching staff had backed said player. I'll not name him but there is a current thread about him in the players section, he does not play red ball cricket and the last time he faced more than 50 balls was in 2021, I'm sure you know who I mean! Lancs member also said that Parky was absolutely overwhelmed when he first walked into the Kent dressing room at all the happy, smiling faces including all the coaching staff. As I said, number 1 is fact, number 2 a rumour. |
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Post by John W on Sept 8, 2023 18:27:32 GMT
A couple of things I picked up from Northants. 1. George Balderson - I was speaking to someone I know who is firmly inside the Lancashire team group. We were talking about Balderson and he said Balderson's attitude both on and off the pitch was exemplary, not a jack the lad like a couple of others. Our DOC said similar things about CDG at the forum a few weeks ago. For the Essex game Balderson was dropped and CDG got the nod! It's a good job the Kiwi wasn't signed for the entire season or else George might have missed out on a couple of tons. Matt Parkinson - chatting to a Lancs member who is seen at most of the grounds, Parky's name cropped up. He said that he had heard (so this is a rumour) that he had fallen out with a player and the coaching staff had backed said player. I'll not name him but there is a current thread about him in the players section, he does not play red ball cricket and the last time he faced more than 50 balls was in 2021, I'm sure you know who I mean! Lancs member also said that Parky was absolutely overwhelmed when he first walked into the Kent dressing room at all the happy, smiling faces including all the coaching staff. As I said, number 1 is fact, number 2 a rumour. Though apparently fall out was before he was made captain. |
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Post by chris on Sept 8, 2023 18:50:24 GMT
Only have to look back on here at some of posts concerning the bizarre bowling choices that the club's choice of capt for the Blast was making which might easily provide a rationale for the rumour. Though apparently fall out was before he was made captain.
And the team's body language was at its worst in the Blast, before recovering towards the end of the group stage. Wasn't there a catch that the captain took without celebration? |
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Post by John W on Sept 8, 2023 19:06:07 GMT
Though apparently fall out was before he was made captain.
And the team's body language was at its worst in the Blast, before recovering towards the end of the group stage. Wasn't there a catch that the captain took without celebration?At the start of the CC season back at the beginning of April he was at OT receiving treatment/getting match fit before belatedly joining the IPL circus. Yes you're right there was a catch he took at OT in the Blast without any celebration and he threw the ball to the ground. Strange character who apparently doesn't like any form of criticism towards him on social media. |
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Post by chris on Sept 8, 2023 19:40:04 GMT
But didn't he come straight from the IPL to the captaincy? Although he was a late arrival at the IPL so maybe in Manchester at the start of the season.
And the team's body language was at its worst in the Blast, before recovering towards the end of the group stage. Wasn't there a catch that the captain took without celebration? At the start of the CC season back at the beginning of April he was at OT receiving treatment/getting match fit before belatedly joining the IPL circus. Yes you're right there was a catch he took at OT in the Blast without any celebration and he threw the ball to the ground. Strange character who apparently doesn't like any form of criticism towards him on social media.
Once that is accepted, for me, the more interesting aspect is to look at it from a managerial point of view. I doubt this was dealt with exclusively by the coach who would, to my mind have overall responsibility for the 1st team squad and should have sorted it. Would it not fall into the category of him telling his manager about something, but this is what I've done/going to do. But I doubt that happened, I would expect more people including the DoC were involved.
But why was a player who would give you at best a dozen Blast games each season be prioritised over someone who conceivably could have played every match for the club and been a match winner in more than some? That's the impossible question without knowing anything about fault and circumstance. But surely the Management mis managed the situation, or is that just me with the benefit of hindsight? It's not even a commercial decision, shirt sales don't apply in cricket. Better stop there.
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Post by mickeyg on Sept 8, 2023 20:37:46 GMT
I guess thats just it chris, fault and circumstance. The mood around the camp that we were seeing suggests the rest of the players wern't happy with what went on. But not being there we don't truly know what went down. Parkys demise was pretty abrupt, after taking 5 against Surrey did we even see him again as a starter? Sad, and a blow for Lancs as I'm sure he could have helped us in some games where we struggled to take wickets.
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