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Post by sillypoint on Sept 4, 2024 10:10:21 GMT
Usual waffle from Chilton. I also had to laugh when he said Iyer had been brought in to strengthen the 4-day team. He was, however, unusually candid when he blamed Chapple for a safety-first strategy, which is why we hadn't won anything. Seems like we're now trying to play Bazball, which might explain Bohannan's kamikaze batting. Doesn't explain why Bailey and Williams have regressed though.
Sounds like there could be quite a shake-up in the playing staff this close season, with those not on board with the 'new style' being jettisoned. Not sure how they do that with players still on contracts. Implied Benkenstein should be judged when he gets the players he wants.
Wood not expected to play much 4-day cricket, though he didn't say he was on a white-ball only contract. Seems like Allott is indeed still involved in some sort of capacity.
Didn't inspire me with much confidence.
I see the U18s have won a regional competition and the U14 boys a national competition beating Surrey in the final. This seems to happen on a regular basis but doesn't translate into senior success. I wonder, in six or seven years time, how many of those U14s are playing successfully for Surrey and how many for Lancashire?.
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Post by alanw on Sept 4, 2024 16:01:07 GMT
Sounds like there could be quite a shake-up in the playing staff this close season, with those not on board with the 'new style' being jettisoned. Not sure how they do that with players still on contracts. Implied Benkenstein should be judged when he gets the players he wants. It certainly sounds that way but the squad is so small when you take out the England/ White ball players and we don't seem to be recruiting so if many leave we will end up playing academy players in the first XI. |
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Post by Phil on Sept 4, 2024 21:11:07 GMT
Sounds like there could be quite a shake-up in the playing staff this close season, with those not on board with the 'new style' being jettisoned. Not sure how they do that with players still on contracts. Implied Benkenstein should be judged when he gets the players he wants. It certainly sounds that way but the squad is so small when you take out the England/ White ball players and we don't seem to be recruiting so if many leave we will end up playing academy players in the first XI.No way can Chilton can survive this with his management and recruitment, Frankenstein should go as well for turning us into Gloucestershire, which a lot feared when he got the job. |
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Post by alanw on Sept 5, 2024 6:51:32 GMT
No way can Chilton can survive this with his management and recruitment, Frankenstein should go as well for turning us into Gloucestershire, which a lot feared when he got the job. I'm sure both Benkenstein and Chilton will both be here next season. They are both pushing the blame onto the players with their rhetoric that some players aren't buying into the new system and that players are responsible for their own performance. If next season goes the same way something will have to give. |
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Post by Dave Towers on Sept 5, 2024 8:27:40 GMT
Presumably “the new system” = losing every game.😡
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Post by man in the stand on Sept 5, 2024 10:20:35 GMT
He (Chilton) was, however, unusually candid when he blamed Chapple for a safety-first strategy, which is why we hadn't won anything"
Bit unfair that...2022 2nd in the CC and finalists in the 50 and 20 over comps. A coach can only do so much; it is up to the players to win the games....
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Post by accylad on Sept 5, 2024 14:20:17 GMT
He (Chilton) was, however, unusually candid when he blamed Chapple for a safety-first strategy, which is why we hadn't won anything"
Bit unfair that...2022 2nd in the CC and finalists in the 50 and 20 over comps. A coach can only do so much; it is up to the players to win the games....
Glenn Chapple was worth more than ten Chiltons. |
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Post by John W on Sept 6, 2024 13:13:16 GMT
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Post by sillypoint on Sept 6, 2024 23:28:14 GMT
He (Chilton) was, however, unusually candid when he blamed Chapple for a safety-first strategy, which is why we hadn't won anything"
Bit unfair that...2022 2nd in the CC and finalists in the 50 and 20 over comps. A coach can only do so much; it is up to the players to win the games....
Chilton's view, not mine |
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Post by sillypoint on Sept 7, 2024 9:08:50 GMT
Whilst we are, quite rightly, bemoaning the state of the club, it seems we are not alone. Go and read the Warwickshire forum after last night's defeat. Davies is not very popular.
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Post by oldhamexile on Sept 7, 2024 10:37:45 GMT
Whilst we are, quite rightly, bemoaning the state of the club, it seems we are not alone. Go and read the Warwickshire forum after last night's defeat. Davies is not very popular. I thought they got beat by the better side, superb bowling from David Payne in particular, Josh Shaw has come on a heck of a lot since I last saw him bowl. Similarities with the Lancashire performance in the lack of application from their top order. |
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Post by Dave Towers on Sept 12, 2024 21:18:25 GMT
Someone mentioned on one of the threads a few days ago how almost every player, batter or bowler, has regressed this season and these are some of the figures;-
Batting averages:
Bohannon 59 to 36
Jennings 52 to 49
Balderson 50 to 19
Wells 33 to 24
Bell 27 to 23
Salt of course is lost to us.
The overseas brought in have averaged 24, (Bruce) and 16 (Iyer).
Even Bailey, not in the team for his batting has gone from 33 to 14; he made three half centuries last season.
Bowling averages
Bailey 22 to 48
Williams 23 to 36
Hartley 44 to 81
We have a part-time bowler, Wells, at the top of our averages with 20 wickets at 24.
Mahmood and Wood are lost to us; the former hasn't bowled a meaningful number of overs since 2021 and the latter seems to have decided first-class cricket isn't for him.
I'm assuming Anderson will retire completely after this season; how we could do with the two games promised by Chilton.
THe only improvement I can see is that of Matthew Hurst.
No wonder we are in the predicament we are, virtually every senior player has gone backwards.
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Post by oldhamexile on Sept 13, 2024 8:14:30 GMT
Someone mentioned on one of the threads a few days ago how almost every player, batter or bowler, has regressed this season and these are some of the figures;- Batting averages: Bohannon 59 to 36 Jennings 52 to 49 Balderson 50 to 19 Wells 33 to 24 Bell 27 to 23 Salt of course is lost to us. The overseas brought in have averaged 24, (Bruce) and 16 (Iyer). Even Bailey, not in the team for his batting has gone from 33 to 14; he made three half centuries last season. Bowling averages Bailey 22 to 48 Williams 23 to 36 Hartley 44 to 81 We have a part-time bowler, Wells, at the top of our averages with 20 wickets at 24. Mahmood and Wood are lost to us; the former hasn't bowled a meaningful number of overs since 2021 and the latter seems to have decided first-class cricket isn't for him. I'm assuming Anderson will retire completely after this season; how we could do with the two games promised by Chilton. THe only improvement I can see is that of Matthew Hurst. No wonder we are in the predicament we are, virtually every senior player has gone backwards. Just said much the same on another thread Dave, but without your excellent research. A damning indictment of the coaching regime. |
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Post by John W on Sept 13, 2024 10:08:03 GMT
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Post by man in the stand on Sept 13, 2024 12:44:32 GMT
Interesting to compare Hurst to Bell. Hurst back from a successful Hundread and booked for the Big Bash down under and full of confidence - CC average 35 and Bell averaging 26.
Its the role of the coaching staff to address poor form and help players out of it and they, and the captain, seem unable to do so.
Would we be in this position if Chapple had been retained???
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