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Post by alanw on Jul 19, 2021 16:24:37 GMT
I'm shocked. This is very disappointing. If the reason is that he wants to keep wicket then I think Lancashire should accommodate this. I consider him to be a better keeper that Villas. It might mean batting in the middle order in four day games. Also Villas is 36 how many more years is he going to be keeping wicket?
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Post by exile on Jul 19, 2021 16:48:58 GMT
The Lancs management seem to have been concerned about Davies being vulnerable to finger injuries. Maybe that is a point of disagreement.
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Post by lancsdes on Jul 19, 2021 17:47:26 GMT
Very disappointed like everyone else here. A bigger blow than Jordan Clark and probably bigger than Hameed who I think probably needed to be away from Allott .
If he had to go, wish it wasn’t Warwickshire.
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Post by man in the stand on Jul 19, 2021 18:59:17 GMT
With the retirement of Tim Ambrose and seeing the inexperience of their current keeper I can see why Warks signed him.
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Post by redandrosy on Jul 19, 2021 19:30:58 GMT
I don't buy this idea Vilas is blocking him keeping. Vilas has said in the past he is happy for others to keep. It is quite clear that keeping captaining and batting in the top 5 at aged 36 is getting too much for him and I think he would gladly give up the gloves. For the sake of his form he needs to let someone else keep.
Davies has had this for about 3 years running. His hands simply don't seem strong enough and it will be the same a Warwickshire. He still has protection on his fingers when he fields.
I can't believe they can out bid us if it is a money issue. They suffered more from not having a hotel and staging matches last year.
We were disappointed with our t20 form but we finished above them. I think we are better than them at 4 day stuff too. They don't produce players like we do and you only get so strong by scavenging players as they do. I don't see moving there gives him more chance of success I would like to think alot less.
We had three home grown players in England's last game. Playing for us didn't hold them back. We are not some second division team playing at a small non test ground with a poor pitch and bad training facilities. I don't see how it helps him in that respect.
England has great strength in depth. His keeping even when he is briefly fit is scruffy and players like Ollie Robinson at Kent amongst others are way ahead of him in the queue. As an opening bat he is a real talent but quick 50s don't get you international recognition. He needs to do better but will probably just be a very good county player in an era of much better players.
I wonder if Vilas is not going to keep next year or even play given he takes an overseas spot. Perhaps they have said they need a keep who can stay fit and Lavelle is earmarked. The was talk of Phil Salt coming or maybe Simpson is coming home.
Hard to know what is going on but I think this is incredibly poor from Davies. Seems a bit like he has spit his dummy out. Also announces it just as he runs off for a month. Very disappointed he has turned his back on his home county.
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Post by exile on Jul 19, 2021 20:25:06 GMT
I agree with all of this, R&R. It's not remotely logical for Davies to think that moving to Warwickshire will improve his chances of playing for England, which, in any case, are hovering around zero. A quarrel of some sort is a much more likely explanation and it doesn't look as though Lancs have made any effort to persuade him to stay. I suspect the root of the quarrel (if there has been one) lies in Davies's habit of scoring a quick 40/50 and getting out. Some of the statements he has issued lately have had a note of defiance, as if someone has been trying to get him to change his ways.
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Post by voiceofthebstand on Jul 19, 2021 20:28:38 GMT
I would agree, difficult to know what is really going on so all we can do is speculate.
He does seem to have injury-prone fingers so perhaps the role of wicketkeeper is a role that Lancashire don't see him doing in the future. However, he has shown that he is a decent opening bat and can adapt to both the County Championship and the one day game. For batting alone, he is worth his place in the team.
I believe he has a fiery temper so perhaps he's upset the wrong people.
On the first day of the Glamorgan County Championship match at Cardiff, there was an instance where an easy run out of a Glamorgan batsman was missed when Davies hurled a ball directly at the stumps whilst Vilas's hands were held ready just above them to take the bails off. Vilas was visibly and audibly furious with Davies and, soon after, Davies was replaced on the field by Stephen Croft. We've had it before where dressing room unrest manifests itself on the field of play. I wonder whether this example, in hindsight, was a small indication that things haven't been right between Davies and other team members.
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Post by chris on Jul 19, 2021 20:47:02 GMT
I don't buy this idea Vilas is blocking him keeping. Vilas has said in the past he is happy for others to keep. It is quite clear that keeping captaining and batting in the top 5 at aged 36 is getting too much for him and I think he would gladly give up the gloves. For the sake of his form he needs to let someone else keep. Davies has had this for about 3 years running. His hands simply don't seem strong enough and it will be the same a Warwickshire. He still has protection on his fingers when he fields. I can't believe they can out bid us if it is a money issue. They suffered more from not having a hotel and staging matches last year. We were disappointed with our t20 form but we finished above them. I think we are better than them at 4 day stuff too. They don't produce players like we do and you only get so strong by scavenging players as they do. I don't see moving there gives him more chance of success I would like to think alot less. We had three home grown players in England's last game. Playing for us didn't hold them back. We are not some second division team playing at a small non test ground with a poor pitch and bad training facilities. I don't see how it helps him in that respect. England has great strength in depth. His keeping even when he is briefly fit is scruffy and players like Ollie Robinson at Kent amongst others are way ahead of him in the queue. As an opening bat he is a real talent but quick 50s don't get you international recognition. He needs to do better but will probably just be a very good county player in an era of much better players. I wonder if Vilas is not going to keep next year or even play given he takes an overseas spot. Perhaps they have said they need a keep who can stay fit and Lavelle is earmarked. The was talk of Phil Salt coming or maybe Simpson is coming home. Hard to know what is going on but I think this is incredibly poor from Davies. Seems a bit like he has spit his dummy out. Also announces it just as he runs off for a month. Very disappointed he has turned his back on his home county.
Was it Davies’ choice of when the announcement was made? Is this the first of player switches because of franchise cricket? Was he drafted by the Warwickshire led team?
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Post by redandrosy on Jul 19, 2021 21:25:14 GMT
He had disciplinary problems when he was young and I believe he sill has anger issues. Little man syndrome.
Some of his quotes in the press can be abrasive. Amongst them he amusingly said Yorkshire aren't what they were. You don't usually hear cricketers say those sort of things.
Wasn't he dating Alex Hartley for a bit?
Maybe he has just annoyed too many people and he has to move on.
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Post by Dutton on Jul 19, 2021 21:34:13 GMT
This another balls up by the Lancs management, they have spent thousands on coaching Davies only to lose him to another county were they will have his best years. This is defiantly contract related either Money or length of contract similar to Clark and Mullaney/Simpson years ago. Pathetic.
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Post by lancsdes on Jul 19, 2021 22:28:11 GMT
Agree with much of what you say RedandRosy, but what has dating Alex Hartley got to do with it? I admit I don’t know anything about women’s cricket or the online gossip around cricket and neither do I want to.
The quote about Yorkshire not being the team they used to be was very silly and I guess a few people thought it was not very helpful.
Overall, my instinct is that Lancashire do not like players who express their opinion and much as Chapple is one of my favourite cricketers of all time, he very much is part of the Lancashire establishment “if you aren’t with us you are agin us”. I can’t see Alex Davies ever being really happy in that environment.
Perhaps Chappie will never speak to him again like he hasn’t to Steve Mullaney
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Post by exile on Jul 20, 2021 11:01:33 GMT
I didn't know Chapple hadn't spoken to Mullaney since the latter went to Notts! Does Chapple think Mullaney should have have hung around in the 2nds waiting for the odd call-up? The Lancs set-up will always produce more good cricketers than can have a settled place in the 1st XI. It's not disloyalty when some of these decide to try their luck elsewhere and Mullaney can have no regrets after a very successful career with Notts. Also, loyalty cuts both ways: Lancs have never let it get in the way when it comes to off-loading players, not always for cricketing reasons!
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Post by Phil on Jul 20, 2021 13:50:25 GMT
That's a heavy blow. He is one of our best home grown players. I suppose out of contract. Could it be him wanting to be wicket keeper?? That would be understandable. Paul Farbrace's statement pointedly refers to him as "wicket-keeper/batter" and it may be the promise of getting back behind the sticks has lured him. There's never been any explanation as to why Vilas has taken over. Davies' fingers are not up to being a keeper, always getting injuries. |
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Post by sillypoint on Jul 24, 2021 9:52:15 GMT
This is a shock and he will be difficult to replace.
It could be for any number of reasons :-
1) Warwicks have offered him more money
2) He wants to keep wicket. Might have looked at Simpson keeping wicket for England and though that should have been him.
3) He's annoyed at not opening the batting in T20 (I can sympathise with him on that)
4) He was eyeing up being the next captain but Lancs are looking elsewhere(Jennings?)
5) He can't see us being competitive in the near future with us looking likely not to see much of Livingstone/Mahmood
6) He's fallen out with Chapple and/or Vilas
He can be frustrating, getting out after scoring fifty in the championship, but on the other hand, along with Jennings, he's given us some very good and quick starts and made things easier for the middle order.
I know that many on here are ecstatic that Allott has gone, but the timing of that did also look odd, and with Davies departing unexpectedly, that would normally indicate problems behind the scenes, yet results have been pretty good, qualifying both in the championship and T20.
Can't see Simpson returning while Chilton is around, given that Chilton was instrumental in signing Sutton which made Simpson's prospects at OT pretty bleak.
I was surprised to see Gubbins join Hampshire on loan from Middlesex, which suggests he might be available. Always rated him and would like too see us try and sign him.
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Post by chris on Jul 24, 2021 11:41:50 GMT
This is a shock and he will be difficult to replace. It could be for any number of reasons :- 1) Warwicks have offered him more money 2) He wants to keep wicket. Might have looked at Simpson keeping wicket for England and though that should have been him.3) He's annoyed at not opening the batting in T20 (I can sympathise with him on that) 4) He was eyeing up being the next captain but Lancs are looking elsewhere(Jennings?) 5) He can't see us being competitive in the near future with us looking likely not to see much of Livingstone/Mahmood 6) He's fallen out with Chapple and/or Vilas He can be frustrating, getting out after scoring fifty in the championship, but on the other hand, along with Jennings, he's given us some very good and quick starts and made things easier for the middle order. I know that many on here are ecstatic that Allott has gone, but the timing of that did also look odd, and with Davies departing unexpectedly, that would normally indicate problems behind the scenes, yet results have been pretty good, qualifying both in the championship and T20. Can't see Simpson returning while Chilton is around, given that Chilton was instrumental in signing Sutton which made Simpson's prospects at OT pretty bleak. I was surprised to see Gubbins join Hampshire on loan from Middlesex, which suggests he might be available. Always rated him and would like too see us try and sign him.
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