Tom hartley

[lancsdes]

Worth looking back to my post the other day ; glad I did post it then and not after the event. Clearly Derek Pringle ( whom both Oldham Exile as I rate as a journalist) knew something when he said you didn’t need to be a big spinner or flighter of a ball in India , citing the fact that Panesar outbowled Indian spinners over there.

[Rob]

Jan 28, 2024 16:53:44 GMT happy larry said:

Jan 28, 2024 12:52:07 GMT Rob said:

Maybe we didnt need to sign Lyon after all?    Maybe we should turn old trafford into a spinners paradise  RobI still think Jack Morley is a high class operator. Wells a useful leggie as well.

[oldhamexile]

Looks like the analysts had something in respect of selections based on height and high release point, plus the accuracy Des referred to. Was impressed with Tom's post-match interview, he clearly learned and adapted as the match wore on which is impressive in a young and relatively inexperienced cricketer.

He bowled beautifully in the second innings as his figures illustrate, just a shame he won't get a chance to bowl on similar pitches in England.

[chris]

Jan 29, 2024 9:10:29 GMT oldhamexile said:

Looks like the analysts had something in respect of selections based on height and high release point, plus the accuracy Des referred to. Was impressed with Tom's post-match interview, he clearly learned and adapted as the match wore on which is impressive in a young and relatively inexperienced cricketer.

He bowled beautifully in the second innings as his figures illustrate, just a shame he won't get a chance to bowl on similar pitches in England.

if he carries on learning and playing as in the second innings, it's more likely the IPL will pick him up as an injury replacement.

[oldhamexile]

Jan 29, 2024 11:29:46 GMT chris said:

Jan 29, 2024 9:10:29 GMT oldhamexile said:

Looks like the analysts had something in respect of selections based on height and high release point, plus the accuracy Des referred to. Was impressed with Tom's post-match interview, he clearly learned and adapted as the match wore on which is impressive in a young and relatively inexperienced cricketer.

He bowled beautifully in the second innings as his figures illustrate, just a shame he won't get a chance to bowl on similar pitches in England.

if he carries on learning and playing as in the second innings, it's more likely the IPL will pick him up as an injury replacement.

That's a good shout, if only we had some half decent cover....

[alanw]

Jan 28, 2024 17:20:06 GMT lancsdes said:

Worth looking back to my post the other day ; glad I did post it then and not after the event. Clearly Derek Pringle ( whom both Oldham Exile as I rate as a journalist) knew something when he said you didn’t need to be a big spinner or flighter of a ball in India , citing the fact that Panesar outbowled Indian spinners over there.

I really enjoyed Tom Hartley's success and it is interesting that the experts can make a successful selection on a player's bowling style, physique and temperament. The downside to this is that it will give the likes of Rob Key the confidence that successful test players can be picked based on a hand full of first class games, white ball cricket and franchise cricket rather than wanting to pick a player who bowled 400 overs and took 60 first class wickets in an English domestic season.

[Admin]

Must have been second sight on the off chance I looked up Donna Hartley's wiki page had a feeling somehow Tom might be rellated his father was once married to her

[chris]

Jan 30, 2024 11:22:47 GMT Admin said:

Must have been second sight on the off chance I looked up Donna Hartley's wiki page had a feeling somehow Tom might be rellated his father was once married to her

But he's not related to Donna

[Rob]

He can only be picked for the IPL as a reserve if he was in the original draw. And doubt they would pick a foreign spinner anyway, Rashid is rarely picked up.

Morley would be a good fill-in anyway, he is a more classical flight bowler.

England contemplating an all spin attack- maybe lancs will go Hartley, Wells, Lyon, Morley? Just need a bit of medium pace from Bailey to take the new ball.....

[man in the stand]

Come next summer when England will likely play just one spinner - Leach - then will there be room in the Lanc's team for Hartley with Lyon in the squad? I suppose Hartley could play as an all rounder...

[lancsdes]

Feb 3, 2024 12:40:05 GMT man in the stand said:

“Come next summer when England will likely play just one spinner - Leach - then will there be room in the Lanc's team for Hartley with Lyon in the squad? I suppose Hartley could play as an all rounder...”

If Jack Leach isn’t fit, he will probably have as good a change of a Test place as playing for Lancs! Strange times.

[Rob]

Evidently a better second innings bowler at this stage of his career. Will learn alot from this tour. Excellent fielder for a spinner as well.

[sillypoint]

I've been impressed with his attitude in these matches, but we shouldn't believe that he's suddenly going to bowl teams out for Lancs. English pitches are very different to Indian pitches.

[Rob]

Feb 6, 2024 10:45:23 GMT sillypoint said:

I've been impressed with his attitude in these matches, but we shouldn't believe that he's suddenly going to bowl teams out for Lancs. English pitches are very different to Indian pitches.

He bowled well enough again today but is struggle to believe lancs will play two spinners other than late in the season with lyon in the team. He will play plenty of white ball cricket though.

[lancsdes]

One of Hartley and Morley will suffer lack of opportunity this summer ( unless Hartley first choice in Test) . Having said , I’ve always been in favour of top class overseas players ( as opposed to middling ones). Both can surely learn a lot from Lyon.