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Post by Admin on May 14, 2023 19:07:32 GMT
Wait, I guess I don't know the rules of the county championship. How can Somerset "offer" Lancs a chase of 350 from 90 overs when they wern't even 300 ahead with 50 overs left? With how we are batting no wonder we turned it down. Probably discussed yesterday |
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Post by lancsdes on May 14, 2023 19:18:45 GMT
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Post by chris on May 14, 2023 19:22:17 GMT
Somerset offered a total of 350 in 90 overs we declined their offer Says who?
Abell should not be trying to contrive a result. He should be asking his batsmen to accelerate and set a target. That leadership, rather than negitoiation. It was his choice when to declare. He chose not to.
Good job we have already played them twice, if this had been the first encounter to meet up a couple of weeks later, things might have got tasty with Lancashire and Somerset effectively calling eachother liars.
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Post by mickeyg on May 14, 2023 19:45:53 GMT
Ok, now I get it. I thought I was missing something in the rules. Let us get to 350 with 90 overs left and you have a shot at winning. Yeah, I don't like that way of forcing a result. No balls Somerset. Should have got to 300 with 50-60 left and then skittled us out. With how Wells, Croft and Vilas had batted they'd have had a chance.
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Post by exile on May 14, 2023 21:53:22 GMT
These contrived finishes used to happen all the time when championship matches were just 3 day affairs and the "declaration" bowling and fielding involved was absolutely farcical. If Abell really did suggest a contrived finish when his side were already 149 ahead with 7 wickets in hand and a full day's play available with no prospect of rain or bad light, someone should be having a word with him. Somerset could easily have got themselves 260 or more ahead by lunch and challenged Lancs to get them in two sessions. Lancs would have had a go and it would have been a close run thing either way.
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Post by Butter_Fingers on May 15, 2023 3:18:22 GMT
I'd hazard a guess that it's the first time, or one of a few times, an opposition player batting 4th or lower has scored two centuries in the same match against Lancashire at Old Trafford.
Think Fairbrother did it once for Lancashire, funnily enough against Somerset but at Taunton, or maybe I just imagined that, and Clive Rice and Geoff Humpage are rattling around in my brain but not sure they did it or not against Lancashire(home or away), or did it at all.
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Post by Admin on May 15, 2023 5:46:39 GMT
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Post by Admin on May 15, 2023 9:33:15 GMT
Just one thing Lancashire didn't want to chase a contrived total, maybe we should have batted first after winning the toss.
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Post by chris on May 15, 2023 9:47:16 GMT
These contrived finishes used to happen all the time when championship matches were just 3 day affairs and the "declaration" bowling and fielding involved was absolutely farcical. If Abell really did suggest a contrived finish when his side were already 149 ahead with 7 wickets in hand and a full day's play available with no prospect of rain or bad light, someone should be having a word with him. Somerset could easily have got themselves 260 or more ahead by lunch and challenged Lancs to get them in two sessions. Lancs would have had a go and it would have been a close run thing either way.
That would have given a first innings lead of 110 sometime between lunch and tea on the 3rd day.
Their plan was for a target to be set at 350 in 90.
So they wanted to be gifted 240 runs in a session plus a bit before tea and 3-4 overs on the last morning. Say 40+ overs. Lancs were 165/5 in 60 overs at lunch and 265/7 at tea in 93 overs. I reckon there 37 overs in the last session on the third day.
Expecting one way gifts may be why Somerset have never won a championship.
A little enterprise and Somerset could have set a target, Abell seemed to blame losing wickets after tea on the third day meant they had to be cautious. With luck Abell may have learnt that caution wins nothing. |
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Post by MickeyG on May 15, 2023 10:21:30 GMT
Chapple doesn't mention at all in that interview whether Somerset offered anything, nor does he imply Abell/Overton were lying about their claims. I'm not sure what time it started but with what we were doing with the bowling it looked like we'd given up, maybe after lunch once we realized they weren't gonna set a target. I know it was at the end, but Mahmood bowling spin, FFS. I don't blame us for it with the way Somerset approached the last day. Poor cricket from them.
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Post by alanw on May 15, 2023 10:25:01 GMT
I was just looking at the scores to work out when the discussion about Lancs chasing 350 in 90 overs could have take place and Chris is correct it had to be before tea on the third day. I think if Lancashire had declared when they got to 250 and gifted Somerset the runs you are getting into the territory of bringing the game into disrepute.
Other thoughts on the game Lancashire won a good toss got early wickets but through away the advantage. If Lancashire had held their catches we would probably have won.
We need Parky in the championship team.
Unbelievable decision by Somerset not to setup a run chase on the final day. Anderson had dropped out of the game, Mahmood still not 100%. Would like to see the comments on here if Lancashire had done the same thing.
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Post by Phil on May 15, 2023 11:02:56 GMT
Somerset offered a total of 350 in 90 overs we declined their offer To do that they would have had to score 314 in 32 overs! Don't think so somehow! |
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Post by chris on May 15, 2023 11:29:35 GMT
Somerset offered a total of 350 in 90 overs we declined their offer To do that they would have had to score 314 in 32 overs! Don't think so somehow! Not quite as part of their "offer" was for Lancashire to pull out of their first innings at 250. So it would have been less runs in more overs. Something like 240 in 40+ overs depending on whether they would have employed declaration bowling to allow Lancs to get to 250 quicker.
Of course Overton is saying something slightly different to how Abell was quoted.
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Post by alanw on May 15, 2023 11:34:42 GMT
Somerset offered a total of 350 in 90 overs we declined their offer To do that they would have had to score 314 in 32 overs! Don't think so somehow! If it is true the offer must have been during the day on Saturday. Third day Tea score was 265-7, 96 behind. Lunch score was 167-5 194 behind. Assuming the discussion took place during an interval it looks a bit too late to make the offer at tea. Doesn't seem to make sense to have the discussion at lunch when Somerset still had an outside chance of enforcing the follow on. There was a clear change in tactics by Lancashire during the tea interval, after tea Mitchell and Hartley came out swinging, which made sense to chase batting points and even get a first innings lead. |
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Post by man in the stand on May 15, 2023 11:41:13 GMT
Also to bear in mind the loss of around 50 overs due rain; Jimmy's injury - he wouldn't have batted in the 2nd Innings either so couldn't save the game if the worst came to the worst...
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